Hello everyone and welcome back to 33 voices. I am Moab do he is the one and only Kapil Gupta and we are here as always to talk about life's most important truths and who knows where our conversations might go today. So great to be with you
man very well. Thanks
before we hit record. I was asking you a question and you said pause and hit record. So let's start with how do you make sense of what's going on in the world?
or
do you
you know, I'm I'm not terribly surprised. I'm not talking about predictions or anything. It's just one its
you know the thing that
Is most talked about is that thing and everyone's mind and if it isn't talked about than it is in everyone's mind. But those are in the turmoil is not there. So it just look at the look at the overall State of Affairs. You know, if we get the coronavirus this there is nothing but coronavirus if you look back if you look back 50 years if you look back 80 years older years.
Everyone isn't dying of cancer every you know want you know that everyone doesn't have type 2 diabetes. Everyone isn't you know business is being struck from anxiety and funerals and psychiatrists on every corner and the whole the whole thing is gone. It's all downhill. So coronavirus is just another detail of the degradation of society.
The spread and how that degradation reveals itself is just details and this is just a significant detail. I think the big problem I think once again and I told you like don't come to me if you want to feel better because those things don't do anything. So I'll you know, if someone gives you a few kind words and it relaxes you can 5 minutes in the sixth minute your back to where you are. So let's just stop the nonsense and beasts.
Serious, if you're going to be seriously serious, but you're not going to be serious then just turn on CNN and go back to that. You know it really it really is not about how can you say some good words to make this feel better and haven't yet? Another black it really is about talking seriously about what's going on in your life. Some chaos might always in Calles if you didn't have coronavirus is your wife at peace, you know, you're just look at the world the work Coronavirus.
Is just a holding up the mirror even closer. That's all it is. Just when
it is.
And and do you look at it as you know, and I really do appreciate the fact that you say that a your life is in chaos weather without the damn coronavirus and this is a
mirror. That's exactly right and that's exactly right. I it really is it isn't about understanding that message because there is no message.
There's no message that that you should make sure that you take a look at your life and see what it's in chaos. You don't have to do that. You don't have to do anything. It's if something seeps into your bones it does if it doesn't it doesn't there's no message here. There's no make sure that you go and do this. There's no there's no ghost in your prayers. There's there's nothing there's nothing any message is a farce. It's an attempt to sell someone on like Dina
as this.
disrupted your life personally and
anyways
I would say no, but it doesn't it doesn't matter like because there's more there's far more. There's far more fundamental problems to focus upon in our lives. We see human beings are media Chasers. They their alarm - stay enjoy the alarm. They enjoy the drama. They enjoy 24/7 news. They enjoy it. They actually enjoy it. Okay.
I'm not saying that's bad or it's good I'm saying that's just the nature of the human mind is the truth. Yeah, the human the human mind and looks for distraction and I'm not saying that a virus is all distraction that you should take precautions and you know shouldn't do what's necessary to protect yourself from getting infected or or doing to someone else. I'm not saying that that's practical that's practical but what bothers what bothers a human being is
Practicality but bottom is is the emotional drama in the fear and the anxiety. That's the bothersome this right? It's not all I have to stay away from someone's. Oh well from that respect social distancing. Well, I've been talking about for the last seven years
grr. In fact, that's what we're at that that's how we started our conversation last time.
Yeah. So I mean, I think you should alone. Anyway, I mean socialization is a plague to begin with you know, so
What what are you going to talk about in your socialization sessions? Anyways, right? I'm going to gossip about this and you'll have enough that he he ha ha and nonsense and waste your life away. So who cares mean so it isn't about minimizing coronavirus. It isn't about maximizing it. It's about you. And are you serious in do you really want to have a serious conversation or do you want to be hysterical? And do you want to hear?
Your life, you know, everyone was worried about the coronavirus their their life is in complete shambles as it is. What's the difference? If you're if you're if your house is collapsed, what's the difference that now on top of the collapse a few Twigs bill as well? Might as well what will be the avalanche on top of the what's the difference? It isn't like your house was perfect or in any semblance of perfect to begin with right? So the the major issues of Our Lives.
Voided by Design because the human mind enjoys distraction and the greatest problem is the only problem and the only problem is your mind anxiety fear stress concern worry anger all of these things. Even if even if there wasn't a virus the next 10,000 years, even if you even if you make even if every person in the world like three million dollar
Hours a year Mo and even on and everyone had a Ferrari and everyone all the food they want to eat fine. No world hunger. Can we take care of that fight? No world hunger. No world thirst. Let's get all the Kumbaya zout. Let's take care of it. All fine. What's that going to change at the end of the day? You're still going to go home with your mind and that isn't Frontier that no one is looking
at that. So that's what I appreciate so much about you man is really is to get to that level of understanding.
So do you see that one needs to be in the state of desperation to reach that level of seriousness that you talked about and if you will probably emerge from there, but are we at that State that maybe this public desperation a few people emerge and and head in that seriousness direction that we talked about.
It's a good question. I think that life-threatening events and you know,
No, very serious things in one's life oftentimes do have that impact on some people. It doesn't happen on mass. No absolutely not that that's never going to happen the second coming to happen every single day for the next week and that wouldn't happen. It's not going to happen. So but there are those who are always sort of on the verge of that on the cusp of that and they're actually right.
For becoming serious and maybe it's something like this that makes them so but it's a good question to someone have to be desperate to reach there. I mean there has to be some level of extremeness of some sort whether it's extreme desperation, whether it's extreme desire, whether it's extreme dissatisfaction with the status quo. There has to be some form of an extreme not no one no one five steps their way into this, okay.
This is not going to be in your workshop. And this is not going to be at your nest among meeting. This is not going to be at your school. Luncheon. Is this that there has to be an avalanche of some grass to be a hammer across your head of some sort 2441 to be shaken out of this revelry out of this zombified state that's not going to come from any podcast, which says examine your own life. Make sure that you
All podcasts are just crap. I'm sorry. No, everything is just nonsense. You
don't have to apologize to me.
You know, all these DVDs YouTube channel. Everything is just nonsense because if because the very Foundation is a non-starter and the reason for that is I mean with a speak truth mobile. Let's be might be the only place in the world. Where's truth is being spoken right in this conversation between me and you
The where anything is a non-starter if it begins with the idea to send someone a message or to help them because people don't want to be helped and that isn't a good thing or a bad thing. Nobody actually wants to be told what to do and quite frankly, even if they did and you tell them what to do. They're they're only appreciated that they were told and then five minutes later they go back to who they are. So in India, you know, you have this long-standing ritual of you know,
Guru is giving these talks to literally millions of people in the audience. Right? I mean very very you are unimaginable audiences and everyone in the audience is that in cross-legged and shaking they're nodding their head and and yes and then you know, and then what do they do? Everyone goes back home and goes back to their life and then what it what it what always is a Christmas is about you here. Oh you listen, but you don't act upon it, right? That's that's just nonsense. No, first of all, you have to understand
Cannot condemn people you have to understand the human psyche. Why is that person? They're not there to act upon it. They're not wrong or right. They're not good or bad. They're there because it gives them some semblance of peace to go sit in that lecture hall for whatever it is. It gives them a respite from their mundane and Trauma field life. It's an Escape OK and that is it roll around so no one's acting upon it because nobody wants to if you put what you need.
Is a whole bunch of life has right, you need a whole bunch of rifles and aimed in people's heads and with the threat of death, they might tell the truth and the only way to tell the truth is first if they're forced to be in a position where they're actually looking to examine what the truth is. They don't even know why they go so everyone's a zombie of some type.
Yeah, I agree. So let me ask you something. I want to get to the truth in a minute, but you just triggered something you talked.
You wrote something that I know you don't remember about this whole idea of turmoil turmoil arrives on its own accord and it must leave by its own accord in what ways that accomplished.
There's no way that I can answer that question. There's no way that I can say let me tell you it's it's it's about it's about being thrown into the water and then coming out and becoming wet and then you and then me asking you what do you feel right now and then you saying I'm wet and I asked you what is the weapon?
Mean you have no way to describe that. So what am I going to say? Do these things and we got to turn with? No my discourses my sit those Scrolls. Those things are an ongoing exposure to a human being which slowly seeps into the bones without any effort from themselves and without any but without a shadow of a prescription. So this is not a it's not a five-step plan. So, can you tell me how to get a turmoil? That's nonsense? No,
I will tell you this turmoil will leave on its own if there is the appropriate immersion if there is the appropriate and systematic and ongoing and consistent exposure to truth it will leave on its own.
So do you think that that at the few people who are serious about the truth? Are we trying too hard to understand the notion of the truth is why is that why it's the elusive to the majority of us.
Not only there's a reason why
I would say my first answer would be nobody really is interested in the truth. And there's another thing or bad thing. I keep coming back. It is not a good thing or a bad thing. It is almost it is virtually impossible to talk to people and it isn't the people's fault. It's society's fault. It's because they have to become conditioned to hear what you didn't say and it's not their fault because in moment and in all cases, they're right. So for instance, if I say what I just said if I say
They don't want to hear the truth. They don't get what they hear is. They don't want to hear the truth and they should okay and they're not wrong to hear that because that's the only message being propagated their whole entire life. They are surrounded by loudspeakers in every direction. Even from from the underside. Everything is in that vein. You should be doing this and anything that's negative anything that's in the negative, which says well because you don't do this the
The implication absolutely 100,000% is that there's something you should do this and I'm not I'm saying things at face value but human beings are not only able to see things at face value because they have been conditioned to be prescribed to and that's the only microphone through which they hear
agreed a thousand percent. So I you know, when you think about the emotional impact obviously that it's having on people is real I want to ask you
About the economic impact of the economic impact, especially the stock market impact has really wrecked people and it's wrecked people emotionally. How do you see that? Do you like if that were to happen to you? How do you rationalize that?
Why do you want to rationalize?
What do you do to think
about? What are you listening? What are you asking?
I'm asking that if you have experienced in three or four days losses that took
You 70 or seven years to accumulate. How do you feel about
what are you asking? That's what am I don't know. What if I say I feel X. Okay. So so what do you think about it? What do you do about? Why are you asking? What are you going to do about it? I want you to know what you're
asking know what you're doing because I'm curious. I'm really curious. They're people who deal with it. And
where are you trying to go? I don't you
help me God
you're trying to feel
good, though.
I'm really not really
not turmoil to lose
millions of dollars. Yes for mobile.
And so the question that you're asking the question all these euphemistic beat around the bush ways is that does not feel good? I'm in turmoil and I want that anxiety and that feeling of turmoil to go away. So give me a way to process it so that I can make sense of it so that I can temporarily
Escape that turmoil,
that's beautiful question. That's a beautiful question. That's a beautiful question. Yes.
Okay, and I'm telling you and I'm telling you that I don't think that you're ready for the answer because the answer that I'm going to give you is it doesn't matter because before this coronavirus came along and before 50 percent of your net worth was wiped out you had turmoil own ways. I searched a hundred percent one of the one thing for the other so your life was not perfect.
And that's an understatement. You would life was not anything close to perfect or what. Are you telling me now? I will go along Just for kicks, but the guy who says no no, you don't understand every single morning. I wake up totally free. I'm at peace 24/7. There isn't a single out of salt called self conflict within you and then the coronavirus came along and then in this my net worth went down and now I'm in turmoil, and I'm going to get back to that Perfection that I had.
Add or semi semblance of perfection that I had two is five. I'll take that. I'll go with that guy answer this question. Okay. Now there is a single human being like that. I agree. Okay, so that that is the real question. Right? It isn't about the answer. It's about the question. The question is not what do I do with this latest turmoil. The question is what's what about all the turmoils in your entire life that you haven't even examined with the fundament of those things are and that you're chasing.
Turmoil after turmoil after turmoil try to feel better feel better feel better and you've been doing that your entire life. How long have you been alive? How long have you been alive and your entire life? You've been trying to feel better about one turmoil after another. So even if I gave you a magic pill and you felt better next Monday, you have a brand-new set turmoils. What are you talking about? So this is not serious.
And I have no interest in making anyone feel better and playing your stupid game.
Yeah and edit as it makes this makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. However, the relationship that people have with money supersedes a lot of things including the relationship they have with themselves. In fact money is their identity. What do you say to those people?
What what are you asking when you asked me what do I say to them? I'm curious. I'm curious if
what if what if I'm working with one of
them well,
It isn't about me saying something to them. I answer the question. What do they want to know right? So once again you see Mo and I'm not picking on your brother.
I love it. Keep going.
No. No, you know, what's going on here. You see do you see you are providing a wonderful display an examination of just how conditioned human beings have become because the real the the
foundational question is so given that it is even mentioned. The foundational question is setting someone straight. How do you make them not feel that way? How do you correct and fix their view? How do you make them feel better? You don't even ask them what you don't have to that's you ask the next level up assuming that that because that's a given right? So when you asked me, what would you tell the guy who has you know, who is tens place?
Attach them on that's what you're asking. Okay, you wanted me to fix the guy to make him unattached to money. Right? And the reason that you believe that is because you believe in shoulds and prescriptions you bring that he shouldn't be attached to money. And that's what you believe in good and bad. Do you see do you see the
layer like Cena crime
litigation of layers, you know, I would say if someone's attached to money. What's the problem if someone's a heathen? What's the problem now if the person says to me, I have a massive problem.
Mmm, this is eating me alive. I genuinely want to weigh out different conversation different relation. But we live in a society with a motivational speaker in the pretty somewhere and the in the mindfulness expert in the the
quicker fix.
Right? What they're doing is they throw confetti on people, right? Oh, you're you're sad. Here's a good way to not be sad anymore. Let me give you a hat, right? Sure.
In the face with a sledgehammer because he is the one spreading the coronavirus the coronavirus not about coronavirus. There's a far bigger coronavirus that's called prescription. That's that's Ebola times a thousand coronavirus is small.
Well. I mean, obviously that type of person has to have a willingness to let go of what he or she believes right, you know until you're ready to do that. It's hard to take that next step.
Up next level of seriousness that you talked
about. Well, I don't even think it's a willingness and even that's worse. I would say it's an outright desire to do so and even even the even this is really instructive know because willingness, where'd that come from? You came up with the word willingness. That's a very very revealing word. You came up with the word of willingness because it reveals that someone doesn't really want to change and they better want to change if they want to get better that's once again,
Seeing someone out of where they want to be based upon the idea that they should based on the idea of good and bad right and wrong, correct and incorrect. That's where we really miss comes from but did you ever say they better be willing to eat chocolate ice cream now, I have it. All right because there's no good or bad let the Heathen be a heathen leave them alone. No one there is no changing anyone. There is no prescribing to anyone.
That is the that is the rule of society that is the the chaos of society. That's that domain the the fact of the matter is whatever one or two things. I might have said that might have tickled one or two people at the end of the day, Moe. Let's be honest, right? I got a handful of years to live, you know, maybe I got a daily. I don't know does it really matter? But most of my most of my insights in the die with me and my insights in truth not even
My own they just came they just came they came from because of the desire to learn the truth is astronomical but even that came so none of it is self-created, but I didn't create any of that. But of the number of people who really want really want this level, it's extraordinary small and that isn't a bad thing or a good thing. It's just the State of Affairs. So honestly is staying the way things are not the way that they should be.
Be
right. So I'm just trying to discover ways to get out of my own way right trying to discover ways. So, you know, I can identify those that dose immersive things that I am so tired. I'm going to get out of my own
mind
tell me you don't want
to
No, I did not say that you should you still want it, but I do know you don't but I do okay pretend that I do listen listen stuff. If I put a camera on you - watch stew and I and I and I watched a video footage every night. Okay when I see a person
Who all day is immersed in Oregon's own way? Probably not now, so that means you don't want it.
But you're wrong.
I must I must we're home that I did not imply in the lease that you should I agree Alger white. The sky is blue cloud shouldn't be black in. This guy shouldn't be red. The sky is blue clouds are white mold is not want to get out of his own way and Moe's not at that person for doing so mode is not on self-development motivated for being too. That's just where you are.
Don't want to get out of your own way. It would there's a very very very huge massive fundamental tidal wave of new things Mo between want and would be nice. If okay. Sure sure. I got it. Well, the guy who really wants to let's say, you know sort of company and become a billionaire and he goes and developed and devotes his life to it and does is he's not even in the same zip code as the guy who says boy. It sure would be nice if I got a million dollars.
Yeah, I agree
all cables begin and end with maniacal desire and the thing that you want in your life are precisely the things that you already have.
you know how I know that because you
have
All right, so I'm trying to process that. However assume for a moment with me that I have a job right? I have a job and I worked 10 hours a day and so forth and so on and I really do have a deep level of commitment to try to get to this truth that we talked about right? It may not be 24/7. But it maybe you know something that's that I have a deep level of awareness of
Why would why would you look at that as something that hey I'm not ready for that. What would cause you to think that a despite the fact that I'm not committed 24/7 to it. I'm not ready to kind of to reveal that person that
you know that the truth reveals.
Because there is something that everyone is ready for and that something is what they do
24/7.
And is it doable when you actually have to get up and go to work every day for 10 hours a day. Would you consider that part of the 24/7 or do you have to abandon that
nothing is do nothing is do it is only only the things that you have no choice, but to do everything else is not do
There is something in your life that you do 24 hours a day without without counting the hours there are things in your life that you do without even thinking every single day every single night. Never say is it doable to do that?
You only say that doable to do things that you don't want to do.
If I put a bunch of money and an undisclosed location and you meeting in five o'clock and I tell you I left you whole bunch of mine, but it's only available at five o'clock.
Are you in your and your and your hungry for money, you're starving you need money. Are you going to say is it doable to get their title clock? Of course not? Okay, so that's my point.
You only asked the doable and it's located practice 12 hours multiplies long nonsense. It's all a lie sighs. Everyone is a liar. That isn't bad. It's what they are. Everyone's a
liar.
So would when you think about it, so so basically we're all telling ourselves stories. Right and those stories are validating that we need to stay. We need to stay in a kind of on the path that we're all right now as opposed to be completely abandoned that let go of that shit and and head towards the truth. Is it that desperation than that? We're not we don't
have
only the desire for that is there and there's another there's no like I'm on this path. I need to let go of this and go for the truth. No, no that's prescriptive. If the desire overwhelms the person to go for the truth, then they'll automatically move in that direction if they do it because they should it's a waste of
time.
Yeah, I agree. I do agree that it's a waste of time. All right, but but again is as we've talked about in the past their shit that's getting in the way that for whatever reason either. We don't want to face or we can identify or both.
Right and perhaps we haven't reached that level of desire to look deeper to get into that immersive phase that you're talking about that would allow us to at least get a window into that and try to understand it.
One more talking about the face. I'm not talking about getting some skate or some level.
I'm saying that everyone is obsessed with something.
In the only thing that they will get in their life.
Consistently is the thing that they're obsessed earlier.
Everyone gets onto your obsession is truth.
Yeah, it is. Yeah.
That is what is a good thing. No, that's not that's not good in positive in your life. How do you choose that? Right that it was it was a chosenness. I never chose that I never ever sat down with the guidance counselor and said, what would be good and fit my personality type? What a bunch of crap
that's an insult to a human organism.
No one choose anything we are chosen
and for for the for those people could peel who aspire to be chosen at some point. Are they just gonna feel it do they choose themselves? Do we do we make a decision?
To kill off the past and move in a different direction
with the aspiration. Is that strong then they will not wait to be chosen if the aspiration is that strong they want to be
in Jerusalem.
Yeah, I guess I guess that that's what separates
it's all about self honesty and the reason and it's not it's not human beings fault the not-self honest. It's not it's that Society has condemned them.
Which prevents them from being self honest because if a person says, you know, I'm I don't think before I act fine.
Society and they've internalized society which is the mind the mind is an internalized Society. But the mine is the mod come down upon them and say well you should always think before you act a totally wrong. How can you not think before you do, you know how much pain you have caused by not thinking before you act and here's Five Steps from that one. Make sure that you do and then when you don't do it says and see I gave you a way to do it and you didn't even follow through.
Just you just bath right? So when that is the environment, that is a micro environment, it is all based upon good or bad when the human being is imprisoned forever. He's imprisoned by the guillotine of Badness.
He is on the hook to become good.
And therefore he will follow any description of any rule which gives him the self-image even in his own eyes and be a good person.
That is why he will not be self-honest.
Including including you you I guarantee you if I put a grow if I put a GoPro if I put a video camera on you and I want you.
You can have in a whole bunch of nonsense and not in the first year going to say right now. I know you're right. I will that even that's nonsense really new.
If you really knew that it was nonsense.
You wouldn't be doing it, but you don't know that's just lip service. You don't know.
That's the beginning of self-honesty.
Not by me saying to you but by you giving yourself the freedom to be able to acknowledge that inside yourself without the slightest bit of self condemnation. That is the beginning of the Holy Grail and that exists nowhere in society. Not in the meditation Hall not in the retreat.
Not not with the mindfulness instructor not with the motivational speaker. Not even with the priest.
That exists
nowhere.
So do you think all of us deal with this self-image? That's a lie then?
That identity Analyze That is that just bullshit.
Doesn't matter what it is. They're your first question was more honest because
as soon as you ask if it's going good. Well, that's just back to prescription what I said. Yeah so good
for pretend. I didn't say
that. What are you gonna say? Oh since I said, it was no good. You going to dissolve your self-image and five minutes, so
I didn't say that pretend I did say.
Okay. So your first question was down is are we all just lying to ourselves through self-image the answer to that is? Yes now All That Remains All That Remains is
Where did that question come from? Was that a question to listeners? Is that a question that was intellectual or did it tear your heart out? It was are not an answer right now. I'm going to go put on the spot by putting a star every all conversations are between you and you
it isn't about condemnation isn't about judgment. It isn't about me standing here and saying this because you're going to assume that I want you to say absolutely say x because that's that's what you've been raised by the culture to do.
If you don't do it you're bad and here's five steps to get out of it. If you do over the five steps on your really bad. Well, guess what? There is no Badness. First of all second of all the five steps don't work. So you're screwed all the way
around.
Yeah, so it's that ballad ation the validation of right or wrong that we're just stuck in that damn
thinking. Well just to believe this the belief that there is actually a right action or a right thought or a right thing to do that simply doesn't exist.
The fundamental truth is so revolutionary.
That is so completely tears the most foundational elements of all that human has taught he no longer knows which way is up you be afraid to even say his own name in fear that even that may be why
the human has that has drifted so deep into lies and untruths that he shouldn't say work.
Everything is a Lie No One realizes the degree to which society has completely imprisoned and destroyed the fabric of the human organism.
So kapiel. Are you at a point where you just totally ignore your mind?
Well, it's a beautiful question. You know, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to go into the are you at a point stuff because then that gets into contests right? Let me let me just say this. In fact, I was going to write a a set of scrolling up the
The mind is not you.
And you didn't really hear me and you're not going to it doesn't matter at least at least it went through acoustically.
So what does that mean a mind is not me.
I mean we hear we hear the Egos and you're not your thoughts and so forth. And I know that's not you.
Well everything that you think that you know, we don't the beliefs and opinions that you have purchased are so laughably wrong that if a god came out of the sky and you believed him because he was God and he showed you look this is the real truth.
You will be dumbfounded of just how ridiculously wrong and fourth top so far from the truth you are.
All right. So let's let me kind of ask you two quick questions to add but where we started.
And this this is kind of a philosophical question. I've been kind of toying around in my head. Do you feel that the shit that's going on in the world with this coronavirus? Is this the wake-up call the collective needed to say that you've been so fucked up for a long time. It's time for you to shake out of this shit and maybe a few people will ultimately do you think we've been waiting for this?
Wishing to be Armageddon a thousand times over this is not the beginning. This has been going on in various forms forever. Right? So once this thing is passed then basically make everyone will go back to normal rhythm.
But if you might
get to that level of seriousness that you're talking
about.
Yeah, and they might even with no cone bars.
There's always some people out there who are all costs, you know in a in a Brisk Wind Blows and they push him over the edge.
But he answered your question short. It might it might be things that are extreme. Like I said things that are extreme usually, you know, at least having potential to have some effect on someone. Yes,
and and how does this help us come to grips with pain?
What's the selfie New Age? What language is that? Let me come to grips with pain when you want to learn how to deal with it.
You know, it not run away from
it. We need to deal with shouldn't be that's like that's those are like deal with is a fighting word. I mean, you know, it's like taking a pile of sitting applied to the Israelis. Come on deal with right we would deal with I've
had that was her stand it.
A realist
what everything against dealing with but if you have cancer you want deal with it or the deal with cancer?
No, I want to kick its ass you want. How do you help someone feel better? If they're in pain? Don't care a great. Okay. So if if you hit him in the alarm arms that are hurt and then you leave E8 the armed with some bomb tomorrow and I hit leg that legs going to hurt and the next day the has been overthrown. It's fine go to the motivational speaker in the mindfulness expert and the, you know meditate your life away. Go ahead and go to the retrieval and you don't have some massage.
Appointed security. Okay. Don't bring that stuff over here. I don't
care. I know you don't how about the understanding of it?
That's just part of life. Do we understand that it's that it is offering
component you understanding pain
of suffering that that's just that you know for us that that's part of life. That's part of you know, that's part of our journey the truth.
Well,
you don't own speaks everything right now. So that was a word. That was an apologetic - for Wells Fargo like let's just okay and I'm not going to say I'm not I'm not I'm not going to say that you were right or wrong with that. I'm going to say if someone says suffering is a part of life much as what it is. Okay, if someone says suffering to part of life and I learned all really had to get really I want to understand it until you're from story. I know that you're going to lack don't
the latter one because it's proper but you know, it's life absolutely is suffering, but it isn't just because the events of Life are suffering life is suffering because of the illusions that we fall into as human beings the illusion of mine the illusion that we are ourselves the illusion of attachment all of these things in completely being attached to a notion of a self that suffering and if a
I did not have that then any he could have all the bad events happened to him and when you affected by them, so this is the events that are suffering the events are indeed suffering, but but that is not the fundamental of the
suffering.
You hate man. I love so much just having these conversations and and hearing your perspective and whether you like it or not it impact five six ten of us. So I always appreciate it.
Okay.
