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stuff from us. I don't disbelieve. I don't believe, I don't disbelieve but I don't believe. I think it's possible and I give you my opinion.
Yes, please. I don't believe the universe. Just chose us to be the only one look at these guys. They're so special. They're going to be the only one in existence. You know, what? Don't nobody and
Millions of miles away going to be existing with them trillions of miles. I mean, from the end of time there's no way you could ever exist. But we're going to handle all this space by. Ourself. You believe that Dawn. I don't believe the 10 million miles of space. There's nobody a billion miles of space. There's nobody, but us, I
think there's definitely some shit visiting us, over the course of human history there. Maybe they're
unconscious.
Hello, this is another episode of hot boxing. I have my co-host here, my man bash, and we're here with the incredible Joe Rogan. How you doing? Brother?
Thanks for having me,
a man, with a pleasure being here with you, man.
It was fun hanging out to. That was a fun
podcast. Even more fun. I'm excited to tell us, brother. How do you feel about all this magnificent success? You've been
having?
It's bizarre doesn't seem doesn't seem normal, you know,
every time we very strange. Yeah, but you getting that deal here getting a deal here. Getting the deal here and then we heard somebody trying to cancel you.
There's been a lot of that. Yeah, that's why we
got this stuff relevant for. No one can care for you and you could do all the counseling. How do you feel about that? Like
like the whole cancel culture? Well, what it is is it's a culture of people being able to express themselves and when people can express themselves.
Elves. They can change the way other people feel about things. They can get people upset at things. You could say things that you've never been able to say before you. Have you like so many people have the ability to express themselves now, so it's like you can get someone fired. I give you decide that you're going to pile on to someone because you don't like what they said or what they did. You can get a fire that's a new thing in history because before you would have to have like a letter-writing campaign, like if someone had done something and they were a movie star and you didn't want to go to
Movies yet, like organized. Someone had to figure out a way like how do we let people know that this guy sucks, like what you have to do and they would have to have made like, you know, they have to get like mailing lists and actual send out letters and shit or they would have to find a way. Now. All you have to do is like tweet about something or make a YouTube video about something. So in some ways it's like, it's forcing people to get their shit together. Exactly. How do you think that
affects people in the art and the art realm like
comedians are?
Right, that must be hard for comedians now, right? With the cancel culture. It definitely is. I mean, Ari, shaffir said, something very smart about it. He said, it made comedy dangerous again. He's like, because people can pretend that you're not just talking shit. They can take your words out of context and try to make it look like you mean something. But what you're saying and that's right. Something in print
that's when that's when the counterculture stuff to recount herself. That means we can't say something.
Because you don't like it. You particularly don't like it, or your organization don't like
it. Yeah, there's that too. It's like when you have a corporation and you're in control of like what gets shown. Like they can just decide if you if you're you have something to say about something and they don't agree with it. They can just decide to remove your videos and you know that. So you have to watch what you say and watch
what you do, but it's different, it's different.
I wonder if there's like an upside to it. I wonder if all this extra sensitivity is going to make people more conscious about what their words mean to other people. Now listen, you know, it's not going to do that.
I don't think so. No, that's not it. No. I'm not always be somebody to say after. Right about me. I got my feel like I'm a human being too. That's
true.
The does get to a point where like people want to be they want to have felt bad about something. Someone said they want to be upset like it's recreational outrage for some people like people are to woke
maybe just like what's that wolf stuff are trying so hard. It woke me.
It's like it's complicated. It means good, some people deviation. What's the abbreviation is
essentially like being enlightened and like wake, ya be a wake up unless
all the bullshit. That's a bigger than the other than
yourself. What should we know that?
Bigger than enough God after that was big enough. Well, that's what a lot of
people believe. The problem is is that a lot of people don't have God and they substitute God for other things that mimic the same kind of control. Religion, has and ideologies are one of those
things. Listen, a Muslim, right? So my daughter said, God, Jesus said we were Gods, but we can die, like, normal Kings and princes. I think every kid. Fuck, no key. I said, look it up, cause I'm always do them come from with confrontation, with my daughter.
I can look it up. Show me the way they let me and she's looking through the Bible. She's looking as he can't find the can. Yo, she's wait and then she find the Jesus said, we all are God, but we can fall just like any king of prints were with. Once we hit, we're gonna die. We're living. So it demigods pretty much. Jesus say we're Gods. Yes with flaws.
So thank, you know, you have floors by only flaw is dying. Truly. Hmm. Maybe know we could we could be allowed to be forgiven for everything we did but we can't be forgiven for dying. We always will all going to die. Yeah, and what do you think happens? When we die do we just do? We wear like trees? They wouldn't the plants die and then they sometimes come they come back to life. They blossom again. This is that what human beings do you think? What's
fascinating about the
Bible or anything?
We don't, nobody knows. All right, God. Do I know there's about feel like, you know, definitely like plants with dead. This is not a time for what, you know, we die and God creates whatever you do gardening for you play football. He's going to create you lose games. He's going to create you and championships. He's going to create whatever happens. God is creating. Yeah,
the wild thing about the Bible is that it's thousands of years old, and people are still reading it. They're still, they're still reading this thing. That was the
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Yeah. I remember, I think, reading something saying that the Bible is probably the most bought book ever, or like most, like red bug ever. It's pretty honestly, it's probably that and then Harry.
Harry Potter is probably a strong second. Let's do Count Their daughter. Might have the Bible Beat. When I look at what I might want to look that up. When you bury Potter might have the Bible Beat the Bible's. Don't you tell guess that lady is everybody is
Anybody got did, the Bible's is all different
stories. Oh, Mike, that's what we're talking about that the Dead Sea Scrolls. And the podcast we were doing earlier. That's that's where it gets really wild. That's thousands of years old. They found it in a cave in qumran. They just found these Scrolls that has versions of the Bible that never seen before.
Well, if you know Constantine, he said, hey, you could put that in the Bible. No, you can't put that in there.
Yeah.
Yeah, obviously they whatever the new test.
Was whenever
they put all the way that these people had. No, you can't put that in the Bible. Yeah, you put that. No, not that. Well, maybe that. Yeah, that's okay. But take that
out. The thing is like for sure. They're man had a hand in it. But when you go back and re like what were they trying to say? Like, what was the when it was written in ancient Hebrew and then they translated into Latin, they translated into like when it was in ancient Hebrew, like what were they trying to say?
What was in that we write with their family and then we're preacher the same right now surrender to God, because the who is he?
Render the god. That's what they're saying. That's what it's all things. That's what has ever been since the beginning of y'all. Right surrender. The god, since the beginning of that, they'd be like so into the car. And I think it's interesting
because I
think in majority religions, like you said, you're Muslim, right? It's always
one entity, right? That you want to worship and give give, you know, give your all to. Yeah, and devote yourself to. So, I think it's interesting because essentially gods and everything kinda, right? That makes sense is just in different forms, different religions and
From every religion has some kind of God, right? Yeah, except for weird ones, you know, there's probably a few made-up
ones. Yeah. Listen at one time of Grace. Think I recently created, when laning to him earlier that at one time Superstition with the religion.
You know, Superstition was losing people. Yes. I don't know. Hold my, but I see the whole my, but when I go by ass Catholic Church of graveyards and sometimes those who my button the Catholic, that's some crazy. I don't know what the hell I would do. My mother told me to do this crap, but let's move on to a different note. So now you're in this guy now you're yeah,
what's what is it? Like down here?
What was the whole what was the whole vibe but you like it. Well, I came.
Here in May of twenty. Twenty-One La was locked down and two weeks had become, you know, a couple of months and there was no hint of anything opening up. It was weird and we came here and it was totally different. We came here and everybody was going out, you go to the lake. There's people on boats and my kids jumped in the water and they're playing. They're like we want to live here and I was like, I will fucking move here right now and my wife agreed and we said, let's go, let's try it. And so we just, it was just it was a
A different feel.
You think it was all? There's so much easier. It's
so nice. People are so nice here, but it was just a different feel than LA. And then I realized part of it is like in LA, you're connected to television shows and movies. You're connected to like Executives and Studio heads and Hollywood. It's like a different world because yeah, comedians are always trying to get on those shows. You know, they're always trying to get booked in the
other main
comedian. I'm not a mean comedian. Yes, you are. No, I
thought you wanted.
Show you a means
everybody. No hitting
people. Let's look at some of the show, please don't look up. Joe Rogan being mean.
I'm never mean unless someone's mean to me. I don't I'm just the last thing I want to. Do
you like hecklers ripping through and that's the dark side of me. I don't like calculus and the dark side of me. I love the heck with.
So essentially you just found a new place and I just felt it felt like more relaxed here. Like people are nicer. Something Hospitality, there was
It was a different vibe.
I agree. It's like heaven out here. I will let the death of this is awesome. Are you
really Googling? Am? I mean, how dare you are you doing? It's taking that front of my face feel comfortable. Giant screen is Joe Rogan. Mean, I'm a Leo. You believe in that stuff. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Listen
Jewish people. Then.
Leaving that either, right? And then they found a 7th Century. What is the synagogue with the whole? Look it up seventh century synagogue with the was the horoscope on the
floor. Really? Yeah. Wow
76 religion that
one time.
How the fuck did they figure that out? Soon, figure out
7th century. And then what is it?
That's different.
Synagogue. 7th Century
synagogue. I've never had someone explain to me how they figured out astrology. Have you ever heard it explained?
Listen
people believe it. I know a lot of people believe it. I know a lot of people like live their life like Nancy Reagan used to live her life by it. Did you know that? Yeah, let Nancy Reagan. Was like this heavy momentum
for this video, your life by that she liked to see repeated every day. She would make the see every day. Never
to do and not do it. Ronald Reagan the fucking president. What he couldn't couldn't do, what should and shouldn't do based on horoscopes based on astrology and the thing she had someone to like, I guess that the
Was it a real good? They find out what time you were born?
What part of the country and find out my mentor, my mental custom models of their Mystic, everything. He believed was psychologically, they level, he never. That's like, I mean, I never went to the hospital even believe in doctors. How long you live for 77?
Wow, everyone's been to Holland the doctors. Very rarely never did that stuff. That was a clean. Yeah. No, it didn't eat. Well, easiest and believe in hospitals. They they're different time. They can they can his parents died like in the 20s or something. So he's seen people come in there with the little shoe stretcher and carry them in and you know, they might be some Irish doctor to make drop the fucking body, hit on the head and laughed because there's some Italian guy.
I'm serious, like, look at that horoscope. What about that? Yeah, and that's when the bread of God, that's good. Listen. Don't ever doubt me when I tell somebody something. Like people trying to doubt me, you know, Jews don't believe in this shit. So why didn't the synagogue? Listen, you have an existing been here longer than our grandparents that we have to have to be mean something 7th Century, calm and 700 AD. Come on, man. That's 700 years. After Christ it doing this stuff. What do you
You think is more accurate to think like that horoscope, or the Chinese horoscope said have like, you know, year of the
goat. Yeah, but wasn't which one is more? I hope they all combine they combined in 1201.
It's all one sort of thing. We're going by your now, probably different,
languages, different culture, but it's all one. Hmm.
I wonder if he read like, someone's horoscope from both of those things and try to do. They do. I wonder if they've lineup though, you know,
listen, um, they've been doing this longer than we've been
alive. Well, the people
Really good at it. They insist that it's like, very complicated and that it's like a like reading. Someone's think. It's not like not guesswork. You have to like compile all this data. What time? It was part of the world. What? Part time of the year?
Some people would call it black magic.
You know, it's yeah, it's more black magic than the USA Christianity, Islamic anything. When you say, but it's it makes sense, though.
It does make some kind of sense that if everything is moving and everything has gravity and it moves through the cosmos into different positions.
And Kevin, what? I cry over anything. I'm crying of a fucking rolls closes crying. You got me. I'm crying baby cry too though. Yeah, but you know that it's just I'm emotional like that. That's why I was successful in the fight because I'm gonna kill this
motherfucker.
No, but I want to do it right. I don't want to get cold as yeah. Well, it's just so it's a way to do it. You know, I got the desire to want to kill somebody after the have to desire to want to hurt somebody to be a fighter.
Speaking of fighting UFC 273. What do you think about house Mont?
Let me see you guys. Look how Gamache, let's see what he's got. Who fight
comes out to my f
is yeah. It's yeah, so
chechnya. He never called Michael
passed.
Would you call me? Call
the Hamza? Oh, homs out to my hair. Hell. Yeah, Colby covered in calls. Him cum shot so does very rude. What other guys do it too? Oh, yeah. I'm shot. He's just fucking with his head.
Obviously remember, I'm is he a tizzy on the show? And
he said,
Did
you watch that? Five? Mike, which was between him and Gilbert Burns? No, but I know this guy has
some ideas of issues that he looks like a nice guy, but he's kind of psychopath. Oh, yeah.
Full cycle, path. Full cycle path. He's a rising
star. Oh, yeah. Me and the feet
Gilbert Burns. Gilbert Burns was number-two Contender. I think we're number three. A beat him. No, it was a close fight. Yeah. Wow, it was a good fight. It was a very, very good fight. Some people even thought Gilbert one like I've good.
Ends at texting me afterwards. They talk Gilbert one. I thought it was a very good fight though. Very close fight. It was the first time homicide ever, been tested Gilbert dropped him. Gilbert hit him with a big right hand and dropped him. How do you think he'd matchup with Edis Anya and Usman see, the thing is like, they looked Lucy, Liu some on beat Burns in his last outing, pretty handily, huh? I mean, who's Burns caught him in the first round with a big shot, but it was mon survive easily and then stop burns after.
In just was the first guy to be able to really dominate in like that. So there's
like, you know got this have this lab. They did you get hit a
lot. Well Burns a wild man. He's a wild man. It's one of the reasons why so good but it's also one of the reasons why I took this fight because he's got the balls to fight this big giant welterweight, go to war with them. Yeah, and very little of the fight was on the ground and even on the ground thing is like Gilbert's who drops. Yeah. Gilbert is super dangerous on the ground. He's a four-time Brazilian jiu-jitsu world champion and really,
Started his career, 155 555 for a while, but at 170. I mean he beat Tyron Woodley. Pretty handily. He's a beast man. He's really good.
He's enthusiastic to always a fucking beast. You haven't met. Yeah.
He's a born fighter and he's also a guy who competes regularly in grappling at an elite level. Yeah, he fought Rafael Lovato. He had a match on the Jujitsu match with them and beat them and the love.
Toes, like, top of the food chain American Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, like world champion in Bellator, like an elite elite guy and Gilbert beat him in a grappling match. We didn't submit him but he beat him on points in a grappling match, which is crazy for a guy that's fighting at this level in the UFC to also be able to compete at a super high level in grappling simultaneously. I mean, that's what a warrior Gilbert, Burns's. He's a beast. But that dude, Hamza is the fucking truth.
Real Deal. He's the fucking truth because he got hit with bombs. He got his head spun around backwards. Never backed
off the kid gloves. Oh, yeah. It was kick them out of the picture of them with the totally device about right here. I
dropped here and immediately, Dives in and grabs ahold of them takes him down. I mean, he was on queer street right there.
If I know it was a
war, it was the first fight that he was ever really tested inside the octagon and the for all the other fights that he's had. He's had four wins. He's been hit twice and that's not bullshit.
It for wins, he was hit twice and this fight, he was hit like
195 times something crazy.
It was an amazing
fight this and we were just, then we just read about the Chutney and
yeah, you can just yeah, tough fucking hate that
mentality to. Yeah, you know, they do for entertainment, they wrestle bears and they and they watch
Like Evel, Knievel, stunts and tricks and the guy with a motorcycle. They have a
lot of MMA fighters to come out of there. I'm just gonna say they get behind a lot of MMA fighters. It's very like Combat Sports driven country. So when a guy like comes out, comes out of there. You also got to think like horrible
place to live if it's dangerous in life. And Little World War life is just worth a
word. Yeah.
That way, if anything,
the war-torn part of the world and the people that survived guys like him and then he goes over to Sweden becomes an elite wrestler. The people that he trains with, he's like the brothers who never fight them. He's like very tightly knit with the people who trains with his, he just started training with this English guy, dare until it's kind of a hilarious Duo. Darren tells his Muay Thai Fighter from England, he fights in the UFC, and he started training with homs on Sweden. They become like, best friends, another call each other, brother, and like, everybody's his brother. So he's got it.
This tight-knit team until he goes to war then when he goes to a just wants to kill
everybody. The thing. No one knows how you gotta do it. Spirit is in the English people. Yeah. And nothing, but Warriors, nothing, but way, that's all they know how to do is fight.
You go to English, a binding, the night of the fight. They don't have to win, baby knows how to fight. I didn't know that I didn't know at all Joe. I was curious to know you starting off
commentating for UFC G. Everything was going to be as big as it was. No, no, not at all. No, I always thought it would be some weird Fringe thing that I like that. I like. I like some French thing. I like, I like watching professional pool. I play pools. I want, it's nobody watches that right. I watch it. I like so I thought it
That one of
those French things. Really must go. Yes, back in the day. They had the them. What was this guy named Don? He was like the product. He was like the protégé of Minnesota. Now, Willie. Mosconi. I forgot his name with the school was good to Dawn something. Yeah. It's to watch those guys. Not sure what that would be. But yeah, Minnesota fat Willie. Mosconi. Oh, did you really? I was a young kid. Wow.
Wow. Yeah. Police to be a big thing now. Nobody, really. You got to watch it on YouTube. That's the only people
watch. It became a big thing.
Do you know he stole his name from the movie? The Hustler
never fat? Yeah, get out of here. Yeah, so you look fat for
yeah, that's it. Yeah, it was New York.
Yeah, Minnesota
Fats. The guy was like a hustler. He was like a one pocket player and a hustler and you never took the gang of a
Beat.
Beat him in a game of one pocket. Maybe they would play with
clay mask. I would have one corner Pockets. Go any with his math that but yeah, this is the different. Let's go Niko always be them but watching them play is exciting. Yeah and watching mosconi play. Well, he would talk all kinds of shit talking shit with Miley. Apulia talking shit, talking shit. This is my mother's skirt right now. When I
was a gambler, that was the big thing. He was a gambler, mosconi was a big-time tournament player
that I could be them in straight pool caddying for money.
Yeah, my only was the guy that
would win like World Championships and
screaming god mr. Monk. Yeah. Nice tie. Laughs. He guy.
Yeah, he was just a you know a shit talker who played real good pool
who gave us
a great personality was a big personality, you know, fun fact, my dad bought me a pool
table when I was like, maybe
12 13. I mean, he still run it all the time. Yeah. I think that's pretty cool that
Used to be your thing. You ever hear the singer Emma. James?
I'm a James. Yeah, I've heard the name.
She said, Minnesota Fats with her father. Oh, wow,
probably. He probably got around. That was back in the day. You get laid. If you played good pool. That's hilarious, you know, try to what's the strategy is,
Mike, how you gonna get
laid? I'm gonna learn how to play pool, real good. Yes. Now he was an Entertainer. He definitely made the sport bigger but a big thing that made the sport bigger. Was that movie The Hustler.
Like the hustle was a huge movie. And when that movie came
out, even Johnny
Jack Gleeson and Paul Newman and then they did the another one
with Tom Cruise The Color of Money. Yeah, but Tom, Jackie Gleason. Oh, he was the best. He was like the
first guy to ever play pool on TV. That actually knew how to play pool or in the movies. I should say. Jackie Gleason could play some fucking pool. You could tell, like when he's playing like his the fluidity of his stroke when he's going through the ball, like that guy
can play.
Amazing documentary successful, all of the always been successful.
He was an interesting guy. All we like to do is get drunk and play golf and get drunk and play
pool. He's like, he's like a modern-day. What was the guy's name? Again? WC Fields? Yeah.
Do you know the story about the house that he had? That he had built to look like a UFO? Whoo, Jackie Gleason,
Jackie Gleason was
friends with Nixon and Jackie, Gleason and Nixon and Legend. Has they were drinking one night and Nixon says you
To see a UFO, and he takes Jackie Gleason to some hanger. Well, they have a crashed UFO and he shows it to him. They showed him. So alien to Jackie Gleason, gets a fucking house built in the shape of a UFO.
It's in New York state and it was for sale at one point in time. I can't believe I didn't know it was for sale until somebody bought
it. So you believe in. You believe in UFOs, you believe that the government hiding
stuff from us. I don't disbelieve. I don't believe I don't disbelieve but I don't believe. I think it's possible and I give you my opinion.
Yes, please. You know what? I thought.
Pick it up. Look at that house though. That's his fucking house. He had his housemaid like the inside of a flying saucer. It was a big circular house in the woods in, New York.
Date. That's it looks dope. Yeah, I mean it's a wild looking house and that was Jackie Gleason. I mean he could any fucking house. He wanted. He could get and he decided to make this. Yeah, and he said it was because that's what he saw when he went to visit Nixon or so. The legend has it. That's trippy shit houses.
Yeah. I just don't believe that.
God gets I don't believe the universe just chose us to be the only one look at these guys. They're so special. Are going to be the only one in existence. You know, what do nobody and trillions of miles away going to be existing with them trillions of miles. I mean, from the end of time, there's no way you could ever exist. But we gonna handle all the space by ourself you believe that
Dawn. I
don't believe that 10 million miles of space. There's nobody a billion miles of space. There's nobody but us,
I think there's definitely some
Visiting us over the course of human history. The question is like how often and how is it do
it Mithun? It doesn't have to be physically, could
be right at you, right. They may be able to like, why are you into our area? And my wife
was my wife to me about this? What's my wife talks about Glitz time and altro sometimes get some time when you got to watch out everything could be bad if what could happen would happen. What's the what's the name? I don't know. But some ultrasound something happen.
Or maybe
they are here. They just kind of like take
form of
humans. That could be
listen. We can't see the dust that's killing us is so microscopic. They might be in front of us and microscopic. Right? We can't see the dust that's killing us is microscopic, right? Why do they have
to? Maybe they're so Advanced? They don't have to be here to be here. Maybe they could view into here. Maybe they could peer
into our our world be there are
conscious.
I used to think that maybe ideas were aliens because ideas make you create them. Like everything that's ever been made a light switch, a computer, a gun. Everything is there have been made came out of an idea? Yes. So if something wants to get made the Cod, is it get made it? What it has to get you excited about making it. So a thing an idea comes into your head and everybody's ideas, compound upon other ideas and they make things better and better and better. But how is that happening? Like those things are forcing themselves into existence. It's almost like a live.
Thing that gets in your head and then you have to go make something and next thing, you know, you've made an engine and somebody attaches it to a fucking plane. I mean, this is crazy.
Did you see the guy in the first the first? What's that suit? That
flies? Oh when the jet packs the
first Iron Man suit know you're flying 10000
wingsuit wingsuit. Yeah. A with put
in
Paradise will towel for you. So that one
I've seen a bunch of these where they miss
Eiffel told jumping
1900. I'm not kidding. There's one with his guys. He slams into a bridge Metal Bridge and the bridge
clangs.
No, I saw this guy. Yeah, I saw these guys. Yeah. This is the first guy. He falls right to his death. Look at this guy.
He's like, how do you how do you practice
you don't practice, you don't practice, you got?
Even yourself Johnny is he doing any dolls like a rock? He falls like a rock this poor bastard. This shit didn't work at all. Jump over.
Oh shit.
Oh, he has to thought that because look how high he was. Yeah, that's some serious confidence and belief in yourself to be able to do that. It's just stupid confidence like not practice. This is how was he thinking? He's gonna land blind copy. How is he thinking? He's going to land. No fast. You're going to be going down. You got proud of you. Practice this do it this way.
This is how you do it. Call it blind. This fucking guy's out of his mind. If I was his friend of Mike Henry. You
don't know. Oh, Jesus.
I mean that didn't slow it
down.
He made a hole in the ground. Fuck that. Yeah, different. So let my friend Andy does that
It does those Flying Squirrels who he had the world record and he Stumpf. He held the world record for like he jumped out of a fucking airplane. Was
one of those flying Wheels you ever? Yeah, we can't heal and parachute a guy. I think he's got a parachute
at the end. I think that's what happens at the very end. You pull a pair of
shoes in the world. The around four times already. Is it what? I know what you're talking about. It's like a sport. Yeah. He's the fastest, Joe be the fastest in the world and they use like nothing but their hands.
Is that bare-knuckle stuff? Yeah, I know.
She's trippy. Look at this. Fucking god.
Did you see the story with this woman? She was a new flyer and a husband died. And then she only dated people in the suit to fly suits had three boyfriends. That died from the sushi, do need a that guy that flies in the suit. She has a
type. Yeah, if I was those dudes are checked those suits? Super careful. No listen. Yeah. I don't want to know.
They hit a rock, hit them out. They become like a piece of dust
on my friend. Andy. He told me, he's pulled multiple friends off the mountain.
Oh, he said they get embedded.
He has multiple friends that have died doing this and he retired he stopped doing it a while ago, but he held the world record at one point. It's the crazy shit you ever seen his flying feet.
My if he tidies a quitter they say that I don't put today die,
but he's all he's a Navy. SEAL. That was his original. And now we also don't have to
here. Maybe she doesn't have any fear. No,
no. Well, I think they clearly has about Mandy quit this, he had some fear. If you
do that, you have to have some fear that who
you guys see when they hit the rock, the time to go through that hole in the Rock and hit the rock. Who became put they become part of
the rock. The one that I saw that scared me. The most when I was just telling you about where the guy hits the bridge. He hit a bridge like a Clank bang.
Hello. Everybody. Need a
mistake. He was trying to go through the bridge. He thought he was smooth.
Through the bridge and he just calculated it wrong and hit that fucking thing. It like a like, a clang play moving so fast. Like you probably, like, realize that you have to adjust this way. So, it's too late way too late. And know you dead. Oh, you couldn't even calculate how to get that, right. Are you going to play that? Don't play it? It's awful. Hey, Meg, I get this. It's awful. It's awful. It's
awful. Get their time. When you hear
it. You got to hear it. Hear the clang. It's like, someone taking
Like a big baseball bat, right? Bang it off a metal burger just bang, what's happening? Right? Here comes the volume Jesus Christ that they're realizing. This is the guy, he's got the wingsuit and he's trying to fly through this fucking bridge. I don't want to watch this, but I'm gonna
Jesus.
Here goes. Oh,
yeah, dude.
I mean what in that? I did. Holy fuck. What in the holy fuck. All
right. I'm healthy. Turn it off, please. That's a
wrap. That's a wrap for this existence.
So him. So let's talk about scary things that how did that? How did
that come about? That's a hell of a transition sir. How did it come about? It's just a game show that was on in the Netherlands. It was called Now or Never Land.
Stuff. You see the guys with the the Scorpions? No, less.
Yeah, bugs. Yeah snakes. We've covered people in snakes and shit. It was a show called Now or Never Land and they did it in Holland and then a company called endemol bought it and brought it to America. They just changed the name to Fear Factor. Did, did you ever help with any of like the gossip about it? No, no, no, no 98% of the time during that show as high as fuck. That's how I got through it. I would I take potluck.
Lollipops with me to work. Yeah, and I just suck on a lollipop until it felt just right. Then. I could enjoy the show. Wasn't that shit was fucking, it was such a weird job because I thought when I signed up to do it, I really thought I was going to be canceled. I was like, how are they going to sick dogs on people? How are they going to make people eat eyeballs in shit. This is gonna go off of everything.
Look at that moment, the movie. What was that movie about death of the movie which building the movie of the document here at death?
Faces the death at the moment to eat the monkey. Yeah. Was that real?
Some of them were faked?
Right? But the monkey thing is very real.
Some of them were fake. I think
monkey brains actually like a delicacy. Yeah. It is some cultures
people need to get their shit together. I'll have an
apple.
The documentary, The Cove when they're slaughtering the Dolphins. When you see people slaughtered offense. It's like it's like seeing people Slaughter kids. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. No, it's like it's a thing about in competition with the dolphins for fish. That's a big part of it. Yeah. They this Cove this area where they hunt these Dolphins, one of the things I do think it's a cultural thing that they that's how they feel about the Dolphins, but they feel like I don't want to fuck this.
Up, you have to Google this. Make sure I'm not ruining us
because I'm not believe what it is is like a Google map there. Whatever.
Yeah, Google this. I think the reason why those people felt compelled to kill the Dolphins was there in competition with them for tuna. I think that's what it was. But you know, it's just it's hard for the form of they did eat dolphins. Some people do have told
the Sharks I think to the cut off their fin, right?
Horrible shot. Yeah, but no they eat shark to like mako shark used to be something you could buy.
At a restaurant until everybody got crazy about
Charlotte's killer
shock. Yeah, they do. Yeah, orca, whales top of the food chain. Yeah,
most Mash into the most intelligent one always wins.
Something happened where people Started Loving sharks. Now, you can't eat sharks anymore. It's kind of weird because shark is pretty good. I've had mako shark before. I'll get a seafood restaurant. It was really good. But I you never see shark on the menu anymore. People have like this weird like connection to
Charnel eating eating had the have to do.
We containing the spirit of what we ate.
With a V8, people will use a great warrior. We're going to get that great warrior Spirit. You want to hear some crazy shit? Yeah. Go for it.
They're cloning tiger meat for human consumption. I
believe that where
some scientists figured out. I do this in a company was telling me I want
to be together. You are what you eat?
Yeah. Well, that's what is he going to have a nice tiger burger and
see what it does? That's interests. You ever had tiger meat? No, I would like, okay, I will taste it.
Elka eat. I was the difficulty, the elk and the tiger. I was pretty good. I
had a Coke is amazing because delicious are, but they're gonna do this. So they're going to be able to get a skin sample and some, I don't know how cloning works but they're going to be able to clone it and then they're going to be able to make some sort of artificial version of meat that's made out of meat. Listen. I don't know how they're doing it but it's going to be like Lion steaks.
Listen, Joe. If I if I take
a look at that lineup, right?
Troy.
Chop them up and I put them in front of you. You think there's some delicacy for sure. I wouldn't know why.
Just me there was a dude named General Buck Naked. You ever heard of that with black guy?
Yes, it had General Liberia. But yeah, dude, but he went people, naked, naked. Butt naked.
To get the money. Wait a minute, cut the died. I couldn't see the mummies left. Yeah, they come up with the money. Now. Tell me the truth. Where is
it? They would call people's hearts out and he did like heavy-duty shit. And he had he had come into some recognized that there was some vendors that were selling, human meat on the street and they asked him like how do you know that it was human beings because I've had human meat.
You like whoa, would you? Yeah, and I'm not going to say what I was going to say, but that's true. That's true. Yeah, that's different. Yeah,
that's good. Whoa, this is domesticating that this is who we are. That's what people were for a long time. That's
one thing to you. When you read about certain Native American populations and certain tribal populations. They did eat kill them and eat their enemies.
Something because they want the spirit of the enemy could when they when the
Fighting the fight them with such ferocity. They want that energy. That is wild.
I don't think this one's gonna kidnap. You and eat. You
know, what I think is. Well, you know, that's not what I think that's hard. When I think that's becoming the way we are as well Pro. This is us being program as well. Our instincts is no longer needed.
Some of them are needed, right? No, but they won't be needed to be continued to be program while you need your instincts. Then as your program to do something.
I think we're going to get integrated into machines. I really do.
That's what I think. I believe in the chips that system. They'll put the chip in our brain. No, not with. Sonny can find out, who, how much money you
got? The definitely try to do that. And when he's ready to do with covid tests, you know, I don't really
give a shit a cash because cash is King. Listen. They got rid of the hundred thousand dollar.
Bill, because like 10 of them be a million dollars on a little bad. I keep 50 million dollars in the back like this. I can put 50 million dollars right now. You only got 150 million dollars to fill up half the room now. Hmm, you know, one dollar bills or something, a hundred dollar bill, but in a hundred thousand dollar bill you to pretend to them when you got a million bucks, right Madden, putting a thousand of them.
And I mean, it looks more watching watching you two thousand dollar. Bill no more the drugs. Oh, you can take 210 thousand dollar bills and you put in a little bag.
There's so many things like that. Where you go? Why, how come we can't do this? How come? We can't be surprised?
People have been the people house. They had the Buster with Jesus was not Jesus Christ. But what do you see the really look like the head missing? It really is his buff. My made a bust of him. Wow. Do you see the lift? And if people that have art in their basement, that could never be seen every scene. Yeah, that would be the stuff that's missing is some stuff. I sort of know your mind. I believe it is. Yeah, I'm sober from the our perspective and stolen 100,000 years ago. Have
you been to the Vatican?
Mike? No.
No, no, I'm in the Vatican. But I would lose a little shaky to go there a little scared. You should
go there just to see the our collection. It's
crazy. I want to go to France the Rings. I want to see all the kings and queens of the, you know, the Merovingian since. No, I like that stuff. I
want to go to those catacombs that are all covered in human skulls and shit like
that.
Wonder what their life was. Like, what would that life about?
Well, we'll know, before you got to this. What was this life about, how would I did enjoy his life? What he what he tormented with the they ever fall in love? Did anyone ever love them or whatever? I thrived and life alike. I thought I think stupid things like they were there but last
that's not stupid. That's like the essence of being a person.
I think that's one of the reasons why people are so
Fascinated with you. Is that not only are you this guy that we've watched since we were kids? But that we've got a chance to like, we imagined what would it be like to be Mike Tyson? Like that was a thing that people would
always have to do. Imagine if you were, Mike Tyson, so he searched but you were living in a way. That was so
extraordinary that everyone could only imagine what it was like to be you. Do. You know that? That means it's an extraordinary position in the the
Ater spectrum of like what people paying attention to when you're the heavyweight champion, the world and you're 20 years old.
I was a young kid that lived big crazy
everybody. I know is, I, could you imagine what it's like to be, Mike Tyson because no one could
imagine it. That's how Wild it is on the world.
I really believe my Eagle told me I own the world because the world made me believe that. Every listen.
If you.
If I don't know if you mean, you go to Moscow is just this man is just like called Blanche. It's just Mongolia certain part of the world champion is just you be surprised how little is some of the world is, you know, you. Yes. Gratitude. Yeah. Fly that you go someplace. That peep. The man is God. He runs the country. That's God.
Yeah, oh Matthew, if you doing some country like you think he felt my ass. He raped me at Acme the cops to bring you to that guy. The cops. Let them kill you in front of them. Oh man, some of those places you be it's the food. It's a beautiful place. Yeah,
as fucked as America is what
is the best place the word of God is but that's one of the crazy.
Okay, the pair were less asleep since we know this is the best thing going to make something out of yourself,
Mike. We're talking today about Genghis, Khan. We're talking about Alexander the Great and all these conquerors like that. Like that wasn't really that long
ago. No, listen, 2,000 years. Let's only what to 300 years before. Christ King is Congress, what 1812? Right? I think
it was a fourth with like
no going on.
It's king is close to 12. That's not that long ago.
That's what's so
crazy. Listen, most of these guys, Alexander Grant Hannibal Genghis Khan. They, we have their DNA. That's why some people have five inches to talk because we have these guys DNA, these guys, conquered the world and look where we look away, what level we are. We have the seats. We have them, some people, like, some people like they have those Psychopaths. Some people love killing.
Some people love eating, people. We still some people don't just like, you're having with some animals. Get more get domesticated quicker than others and the same in human being. Some of them get domesticated quicker than others and some sure. Some of them just never get the mess, the gate. They just what they are who use genetically passed down their makeup. Absolutely. I
think the way we're so attached to our phones is going to lead to us, being attached to some electronic thing that we wind up accepting in our body. Let's go
To change what people
are like some iRobot shit, honestly, even
yeah, legitimately like some kind of
cyborg. But right now, if I'll phone stop, now we will stop fighting for some reason. Before we figure this shit out, my phone start. Now we were some reason find, I know
we're so distracted by phones, but I think the thing about phones is the accept the fact that everybody has one you accept the fact, you always have it on you. So it might as well be a part of your body. It's just not connected and one day, it will be one day. They're going to figure out how to put a thing on.
Head, that makes your brain work way better and a few people going to do it. They're going to have a big advantage and the we're all going to do it.
But until then, until then your phone to be like, your will, when you die, take my phone son, everything I have in trouble right
Bitcoin.
It's becomes more and more a part of your life. Not less of a part of your life. People say hey, you should take some time off your phone and everybody agrees, but nobody does it know and everybody's going in the same general direction,
which is with one more person with
this. I don't think there's a purpose for cut it off, but I think this is a if you looked at this from space, if you were just like from another planet, you didn't know what a person was you say. What is this thing doing you go? Oh, this thing makes things and it keeps making better and better and better things.
Until it gets these people, these creatures to do everything they can, to get the newest greatest thing and that is like we're like a giant party. Your social cloud is to have the newest greatest thing and that makes Innovation and Innovation makes technological innovation and technological. Innovation makes integration integration into the human body. Whether it's by getting having it right next to you at all times. Until eventually it's on your wrist until eventually, it's in your
body, something one moment and thrown part one. Part of that moment sentence could say
I can always happen. How do I current turn this off? Yeah, make this stop. Yeah, like we do right now. This, paying how do I make this stop? Too much, anything? Yeah,
anything. But it's gonna be like, you know, when you go to a hotel and you can get the free Wi-Fi or you pay nine bucks and you get good Wi-Fi. Yeah. So that's how it's going to be. It's going to be listen. You could not fully integrate forever and you won't get all the benefits. But look at all these people that are already very
interesting. People fight Debbie people like Andy station. No,
Again, some telephone we do. Telephone better gift. Oliver telephones. Make you stupid telephones. Make you smart. Right? We go to that
war. They thought about the printing press. They thought that when the printing press came out, that it was just gonna be a bunch of people printing nonsense and that it wouldn't wouldn't help anybody.
You know, when Edison made the light bulb, right? I forgot the guy. What was the guy Morgan? Morgan, some JP Morgan? Yeah. His father. You're such a fool. You make it a light bulb. You're such a fool. You going to ruin your life?
Gadgets like this. That's all there is such a
fool, you know, what's interesting? Might those old light bulbs last for forever. Yeah, they figured out a way to make light bulbs burn out. There was one of the first products that they made shittier like as time went on, instead of saying. Oh, I know how to make a light bulb. The last 100 years, they knew how to do and
what they called dded with. So I booked all the laughs obvious, leave it on all.
A oleds, right? Yeah. I just feel like that. Put that my pigeon coop. Now is leave the light on the
LCD LED or alone. Laughs totally. Yeah, they last forever. But those old ones they'll like it was a thick metal wire and they just made the wire thin. We're gonna have to put a Google that if I don't, that's true. Yeah, I think I think it's pretty sure that old light bulbs were more durable like that. Like comes up with something new. They always gets doubted, right? There's always some sort of like, sometimes they're wrong, you know. Yeah, but I mean, the light bulb is the light bulb.
You gotta go, like, way back to find things like that. Now, it's nowadays. They're kind of, on finding and getting the right bubble
garbage. Can we both keep a huge garbage truck garbage, mind, soul, and mine for garbage. They always pollution and contamination. And overcrowding though. We've been the problem in the
world will, look at all the fucking masks that got thrown into the ocean this year, you know, many Master keep finding in the ocean. There's like billions of masks tragic.
There in landfills and shit and they fly around when the wind blows. I whoop.
It's not good. You know, it's like human beings. We keep finding a way to fuck up the environment more and more like those when they find those birds and their stomachs are filled with plastic bottle caps. Like oh Jesus before Turtles. When you see like the yeah,
they've been this is the beginning of the time they've been polluting the water the ocean. What were you talking about here today? About Rome? Yeah,
but how they treated Rome back in the
day. It was just a cesspool.
It's okay to have, you know, the neck in the have feces on you and stuff. This is the this is the on Shalonda. I believe they didn't care. They re people have sex in the street. They kill people in the street. They just hang the gay. Just like, it's disgusting
nowadays. People get they get mad. If you throw cigarette on the ground, stomp on it, right. People get mad at that person. Like, that's how conscious people are now of littering. Like, if you saw someone actually littering, you'd be furious, huh, and if I wasn't fully
And
if I they had tools right? If I throw you a woman, I think that's do for her. Yeah, that's what they did with
presidents. That had duels
one of more than one. I want to thank you so much.
I think one of them killed somebody. One of them might have
died with. I'm the guy to Treasurer got killed. What was his name
again, Hamilton? All right Hamilton. Yeah. We were talking about Hamilton that Hamilton got Hoodwinked by some floozy. Some lady came along. I ran a scan on mr. Hamilton apparently.
That was a happens. How it went down. Are you want, Daddy? We had to write a whole like letter of like this. This is not what happened and the woman's husband apparently was involved. It was a scheme to Blackmail, Hamilton back in the day. They would do everything that even from the beginning of time. Anybody wanted to be a
politician, the founding fathers were jealous of one another. I'm sure the guy Thomas Paine, he had to be for George Washington when he had beef with George Washington. Nobody fucked with him. No more than by its products and he starved to death.
A problem. Shit
of Washington was like, he had the biggest ego in the way. He thought he was God.
How different do you think it was back then to with no internet? Like the shit, they were able to do what Mike and I grew up without the internet. That's the difference. You youngsters. You guys are so accustomed to having the internet. You think it's normal? When I was a kid, you left the house and no one know where the fuck you were. Well, if you just went out there, there's no
phones. No one knew who you were. But look, look how much you had in your head. You got a lot on your head while he had so many now.
Numbers. You would like a oh, yeah. Listen, we never went to school. But with like, with mathematicians are numbers that were in the head or want to come on man called John one called the prison house, Encore police station all that shit in my
head. I always kept a quarter and that little stupid pocket. The Levi's I always kept a quarter up there just in case I had to call somebody and you get lost enough to call.
Somebody has read a lot more books to well in to watch a lot of movies. I know that. Yeah, you've been to the movie The Light, huh lie back
down but
Read books on a lot of books on martial arts and a lot of books on like Anthony Robbins type books, like books on psychology books on, like, you know, how to get your mindset right, get your discipline and order
so it's very always look up, royal families like, you know, I mean the boys yours and all those guys and see how some of these guys Bloodlines last for like a thousand years. And if you want to type quando or tournament the u.s. That was a couple hundred
know, I was a Massachusetts state champion, and I want to thank all the
The American open. I came in second in the u.s. Couple years ago, fought in the Olympics. And I've competed in a lot of Taekwondo tournaments, but then I started kickboxing. Realizes I realized how easy it was for me to get fucked up because the Taekwondo they don't you only kick the only punch to the body and so like my ability to block punches to my face. I was grossly, overestimated it, so I start sparring with kickboxers and just getting lit up. So then I started really concentrating on boxing and really concentrating on kickboxing and I was
Competing in tagua known as like, I got to stop doing this because I don't want to do this anymore and I wanted to start doing stand-up and I knew I was in the middle of doing both of them, but my I was making a living at a teaching tai kwon. Do, I was teaching it at Boston University. I was teaching at, I had my own School in Revere, Massachusetts, and I was like, I gotta quit, because if I don't quit, I'm gonna half-ass this and I don't want to half-assed for the students, and I don't want to have fast this comedy thing either. I got to like, I got to go all-in. So I quit. Listen,
life is work.
Yeah, life is words and you didn't quit you
stop. Yeah, I just stopped. I realized like I'm two for me to keep competing. This was pre UFC, right? So there was no like way to make a living fighting really like, all of those tournaments were all free, the kickboxing tournament at fighting was free. And then the, if you want to go professional as a kickboxer, there wasn't a lot of money in America. You would have to probably go overseas. Let's see. Yeah, you'd have to fight in Europe. You get fighting the Holland guys. Like all those guys in Holland were a bunch of bad.
Fuckers came out of there
and yeah, Declan Ramon Decker's. Oh,
yeah, Declan. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many guys have come out of Holland and that's the hoost Rob came in. I mean, just a Peter are it's just a sea of killers. Rico, verhoeven, the guy who's the champ right now, the man. Oh, he's an animal. He's an animal. They got it.
That guy was killing. Everybody will think, but some guy come
on. Oh, yeah, big crazy. A bottom re. Yeah, he was killing everybody bought her heart, but her heart. Drop.
Him twice. He was still in that fight either bad, but her heart is a dangerous guy. He's killer be killed. That guy is just dial. The wiring. I wired The Reckless. He's worthless. Yeah, he comes, he comes from blood and the thing is what you were saying. Mike. People. Love you when you do your best and that's why they love him. Like they know that guys ready to go out with a shield and goes got, it is no quit. He's going out on a shield. He's goes to war and sometimes they get him and sometimes he gets them and he used to get them a lot more when he was younger, but that's just nature.
Beast, Jess, just fighting. This is so exciting. He's very excited. He one of the most exciting kick boxers of all time because there's like, there's no point in
fighting with that animal,
animal attacking, he's attacking
the hurt you at all time. Everything's to hurt. You. Nothing, fourth. Everything's
hot. He comes out of Mike's gym, which is like a ferocious gym in Holland like known for like some of the most elite aggressive tactical kickboxers like were super technical, but super aggressive. Like the whole gym was like that. Like that's, you know, it.
Just it's like,
well that guy from Holland. What's his name? He for everybody, the big kind of Melvin manhoef. No, couch guy, the
black Cami Schultz. And that's the host
know. He's
an actor. Who's the black? I
know he's dark real doc. I'm the come on. He's from Holland though.
Name and me for everybody and that's the who's fought. Everyone
know that they do follow ups. Happy.
Those who this other guy young. What's his name?
Hmm.
He's just so, massive. Big must have been on some forgot his name. So there's guy. Heavy looking guy.
You sure it's an investor who's know enough of the legend? Yeah, bald head. Yes. Yes. No, this is the different than a good-looking guy. He's from
Alastair over. Yes, really bad from fight.
Oh,
yes. Yes. Well, Alistair Overeem was AK. 1 Grand Prix Champion. He thinks that was his lip. He fought Rosen strike Rosen strike within. Like I think it was like just a few seconds left in the fight. He threw this leaping hook and clipped him on the lip and just ripped his lip apart. It was
crazy. But who's the guy that afford him? The knock him
out and gone? Ooh! And God, who's the heavyweight champ, dude? I'm
gonna lose 1,000 guy that he's knocked out the Beast.
Is like a character in a movie if you look at the adversity that guy went through, he was on my podcast and he told a story about how he escaped the part of Africa. He's from a made it all the way to Morocco and then across to Europe and that he had to do it over 14 months. They did it basically on foot and hitch and rides and seven times. He got arrested and sent back and they put him in the desert 7 x + 7 times. He made it back to Morocco and try to get across again. If one day goes
along as different as I, you don't mind.
I never heard about you, but I heard about you, as I have to meet this man. I think what you know is so me said no, but I heard about you. Yeah, I do Mike Tyson. So he's looking at me and he's feeling my own.
He said he had one of the most compelling stories ever had on my podcast of this 14 month, Journey, where he knew he had to make it to Europe. He had to figure out how to make it to your
To start a fighting career. It's crazy note, like very little form of training at all, until he gets to France and then he's homeless, he's sleeping in a parking structure and he gets taken in by this guy who was eventually his trainer and then they convinced him to do MMA. He wants to box and they convinced him to start training and learning MMA and then next, you know, few years later is the UFC heavyweight
champion. I think know why I know what happened. If he box right now and make up
Magnificent
payday. Well, I hope they let him do that. I hope they let him do it the same way.
They like Connor. Doing the make that payment that payday. I think the same with these Bonanno, a typhoon. The make that pay
them with who spent fighting. Now, it's a crazy proposition, right? Because he's fighting one of the best. Pound-for-pound fighters is not the best alive. And one of the all-time greats. I mean, Canelo is an all-time
great. Love a hood, faking it, and I'll slam. Oh, he's so good.
That's a crazy fight, right? For a guy, like, who's want a tank that is? But he's that guy. He's that guy. That wants that fight.
He's that guy that just like a bulletproof mindset Champion. That's the thing that like separates him from everybody. You know, lose mods, knees are fucked. Both of his knees are fucked. He can't run. He said that. Sometimes when he walks he has to walk on the grass because he can't walk on the concrete because it hurts his need so much. He doesn't care. I'm not know that the fucked but he fights with those fuck needs. Yeah, and he fuckin you would never know never always fight. You would have never known and he's just like committed to when he's done. He'll get his knees replaced and when he's done,
Fighting, and maybe that's four years after when I'm
done doing everything. I'll get things fixed.
Michael Bisping, did it? Yeah, talk to Bisping. Both of his knees are artificially as a they do like a record like that my Surface Disney's
my shoulder. The doctor said you need to have operations.
In that when you can make the operation they could see the little hairs. If am I?
But let me say I would watch a video of you. Hit and miss with Rafael Rafael Cordeiro. And I would say, tell me how you're going to get better shoulder function in this this. How are you getting? That's that's the whole reason
I need surgery, but I don't feel it that they don't hurt. Ignore him. The exactly ignoring in the Whopper.
Yeah. I think it's Voodoo. I think you gotta keep your mind straight, just pretend your shoulders. Don't bother you because it's like you you can throw punches with perfect.
Precision? What else do you need from your shoulders? That's all there.
Really hurt. Don't fix it. Have you
decided whether or not you're ever going to compete again? Are you open to?
I was going to stop what they started off in this from real though.
We talked about at the beginning of our podcast, we did earlier, but I don't think we really figured finished finished. It like what did it feel like to get back in there and compete again after all that time?
Very scary and very apprehensive a little but I just I just know what I'm doing and into this. Apple has this? Pretty weird. It went faster than I thought it would go.
You know, I was really nervous but on the Family's calm in the rain, but you know, I was actually nervous
when it was over. Did you have an immediate thought of like I want to do this more or did you think, like, why am I doing this?
No, this is interesting. The first day. I was smarter. In the first day of Spawn. Young Gamba ba-bow. Oh shit. Bow and
I never said once. What the fuck am I doing here? Are you sure? This is what it's about. If I just kept going to 5 hours getting shellac, but it's kept going. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Never once I see what the fuck are you doing? But I got you lacked. How
long did you hit minutes before he starts pouring again?
I don't know, but we did it for a while and then we started fight box and he's tried to sparring with these young guys and they used to like kicking the shit out of me. I hit some shots and they didn't move and stuff. And I had to get back in perspective at the really run train and fight the nothing. So they're gonna kick my ass. I say, you make sure it's part of same guy, cuz I am not gonna let him get away with kicking my ass. I'm going to do something. I'm going to hit bottom number to something tomorrow.
Going to kick my ass
again. I watched that fight live in my office and want anybody?
Bothering a locked
door my office. I'm like locked in watching it. So I was like, I can't believe Mike. Tyson is fighting Roy Jones jr. I
can't see my friends are going like Michaels your back around for you moving.
If someone asked me, do you think Mike Tyson?
Going to fight again. I said, I don't think so. I think he's done. But then I saw that video and after I saw that video, I was like,
yeah, why not? Yeah, why not? Actually you probably know to or something like that. The tax lady was always called me from my sins to Tyson. I'm sure you have something to do. I know you're gonna fight against one of these. Just have this fight and pay your bills, and everything will be fine. This is my arrest people. Do what he's doing. And she said,
If I we know you're going to fight again, is fighting in the pay, your bills and that'll be and this made, this is a blatant for the RS. Talk to me like this. I've been ma'am. I'm not gonna fight again, right? And this lady died with Julie, and I did fight like crazy. She was right, that you gotta fight again. It was right, give us something.
It was so interesting. The difference between your demeanor, the first time you did the podcast for me. And then,
The second time when you're about to fight, it's like you had just completely changed. You were like, you were lit up. Like you had like, you were like pulsing with energy. Like you were in
shape. I'm going to take myself too. Seriously. We're ready to go. It was all
this talk about you possibly having a match with Lennox Lewis, and there was possibly, like, Jake, Paul, like there's all these rumors, like everybody hears that you might do it for a giant chunk of
money. Hey Jake. Paul believe in, I believe it or not. It's more profitable than the champ.
Love for the champion. I'm not
shocked. I mean, it's it's like
who, you know, does he sell the most tickets if he brings?
This guy probably like 80 million people, you know, to the table. Yeah, you know, take Paul being about 87. I mean how
many million people would buy that pay-per-view? I bet that would be
a giant. Yeah, but him alone you and him. Yeah. What do you need
to be like a 40 like a Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather pay-per-view. That's the greatest of all time. Right? Is that the biggest one? Yeah. Right that I think that was the biggest pay-per-view of all time. What did they sell like, four and a half million pageviews think that?
Crazy like that and not tell might be like right up there.
Would you do? I'm like, oh my God my need to break the record. Breaking the record that you might break. The record.
Number one is Floyd Mayweather versus Manny Pacquiao, 4.6 million buys Wu Shi Wu ji number two, Floyd Mayweather is well number for Floyd Mayweather. Damn. Floyd.
Leave some for other people.
Boys like that. Yeah.
Floyd Mayweather, Mayweather versus Manny Pacquiao was big but culturally you versus Jake Park. Like this. Young YouTuber takes on one of the greatest heavyweight champions that's ever
lived of this. Sounds good. Hey everybody. Listen, listen, if he's
willing to do it, you know, crazy does.
If he's a big boy, same part of the same parts and I was like, I don't know who, yeah, somebody's boat and he was there.
We said, hey, this is Anya,
The Love This Love of, he's a lovely guy. I put a picture of me and my
brothers great to Logan's a
really nice guy. But my point is that fight would be gigantic.
First of all, everybody would want to see
what let's do it. Jakey God, wouldn't that be cool?
Good large percentage would want to see you. Knock his block off. They'll be like the
most the people dying.
No, no, this
is how he sells things, he knows what he's
doing. Oh my God, he's so
smart and he can fucking fight until they knock Tyron Woodley out with
diarrhea. That's really a buck. I worry about him getting in trouble before the fight happened. He's a little wild. Hey, I'm telling you mean you'll go to jail for real. Chill out. He's a little wild wild without going to jail.
Yeah. I don't think he's gonna go to jail. I think he's smart. He's just he's a super ambitious. The think about these guys is like, never
disciplined to keep throwing stuff.
Yeah, I mean bottled in the space
bar and a lot to write, you know, he's just he knows you could be
somebody. He's also been talking about like that. He's suffering. Some of the effects of sparring a lot and fights. He's caught talking openly about that, but he likes it and he's fucking good man. You can't deny after look if he was just a boxer and he didn't have this YouTube past and he fought Tyron Woodley, who's the one of the greatest UFC welterweight champions of all time and ko'd him with one.
Watch people be like, oh shit. This guy rotary Tyrone's. Not a box. This guys, a boss fight. But if Tyron Woodley went over to box like Anderson Silva Beach, Julio. César. Chávez jr. He beat him by
decision.
Oh, don't please not
fight
Anderson. Silva was a beast.
He's very competitive. Yeah, it's crazy. You need them. Yeah, they'll either be eaten by decision that
but the point is like, if Tyron Woodley decided to just go into boxing people.
Very excited. Just about watching one of the great UFC welterweight of all time. One of the greatest champions of all time. Yeah to watch him go and box would be interesting. If you saw a guy was an up-and-coming Prospect who Tyron Woodley box and flat lined them with one punch. You can go. Holy shit. Other real, please guys, a bad motherfucker. So that's what's interesting. This is Anderson where you live. There's killer knocked out, Tyron Woodley. There's a very real punch.
The point is, if he was just a regular container and he did the time Woodley, everybody bringing out. This kid is something special and it's just because the fact it's like a weapon that they use that their YouTube kids because like, you don't take it. Seriously. You like. Oh, this
is just like watching these two guys
fight. I think it's honestly pretty, honestly, motivating to exponent to see guys, like in different Avenues. Do what they want their passion and yeah, hit it head first and do it. Right Anderson.
Not very smart against Chavez. You did not boxed him and he
stylist the morale behind the stuff. He wants to win his. Yeah.
Well, he always had a hand heavy style in MMA, always had very accurate hands, like his first fight with Chris leben. A lot of the combinations that he landed on leaving when he fought in the UFC were with his hands.
He heard exactly what countries.
You know, he hurt his leg with Whiteman. Why he threw a kick and snap the shit that was fucked that was fucked.
But in his first fight with leoben, it was like a lot of it was just like sliding just at a range of liebman's punches and cracking it with counter. So
this is always a me. Look at him finally,
getting. Well, it makes me think,
if you don't like you with the boxing, this guy was exactly fighter
because he was a stand-up fighter. Yeah, you know, like Anderson was a Muay Thai Fighter. That was his
whole thing. No, but this guy is the athlete
and, yes, he's a special fighter and jam his time. Not an
athlete. This guy that
flee. Yes.
During his prime. He was one of the greatest of all time to Anderson Silva during his prime. There was like a few years. When
Anderson Silva was just everybody that maybe there was always that one year, he
attended and he was a wizard. Everybody was terrified of getting caught up in his spell because he would just like people when he front kick Vitor in the face and I was like, holy shit, you know, and that's what Anderson did. He found a way to do things. And
if it was a fantasy
He was the guy who's the champ now, out of scientists on Sunday. He was out of fun day when he was his, when he was a child.
Well, yeah, Israel had a deep respect for him. And when the two fought it was a wild fight to watch because you know, like that was a guy that Israel has a deep
respect. So it does he fight Striker and fight-flight
similar similar out of Sonya is even Slicker out of Sonia is like one of the best kickboxers that ever fought them until quick man, but he's also like super technical. Yeah, like it's not just like adesanya.
Repeated at a world class level and kickboxing. That's the difference between like Anderson. Never really competed. Anderson was one of the greatest Fighters that's ever walked the face of the planet. No doubt, but he doesn't have a long history of competing against Elite kickboxers in winning. Whereas adesanya did like a lot out of Sonia. Has some great fights against world-class. Kick my like Jason Wellness, he fought for the title. A lot of people thought he should have won the decision, and he also fought that guy, Pereira, who is a top Champion, or a top Contender. Now at 185 pounds, and that was his nemesis.
It's like I beat him twice but there's that's a digital level of like Elite Striker that out of Sonia was that like just in straight kick box and it's very
rare greatest fight of you of a fool you up in your opinion on
me. It's hard to say but it might have been Mighty Mouse because when Mighty Mouse was in his prime, he was so magnificent, he was so fast, and he was doing things that you couldn't, you couldn't believe how he could do. He hit a dude with a suplex and
With an armbar on the way down and I'm not I'm not exaggerating this. He body dump this guy. And in the process of taking him to the ground, got him in an arm bar. Look up. Mighty Mouse versus Ray. Borg armbar. So, he hoist this dude in the air and in the transition between him being in the air and on the ground, Mighty, Mars hits, Mighty Mouse hits an armbar. Like that's freak of nature type shit. Like the the level of skill and technique you have to have this. Is it the level of skill and technique.
Do you have to have to be able to hit this on a world-class fighter, in a world championship fight? Look, it's bam catches it on the way down in a world title fight and catches him in an arm bar. That's different and Taps mm. Well, that I've seen so many guys, get their arm snap now because they won't tap, that's true. But this was just genius shit.
When he was in his prime, he was almost he was fighting World caliber competition. And they weren't even hitting them. He was moving on angles that they didn't expect. He was fainting them and shooting for takedowns. He was kicking them in the head when they thought he was gonna
throw takedowns. He was just
hitting people with like wizard shit and he was doing it for a couple of years. He was just doing it at 125 pounds and for whatever reason, that division just never got the kind of hype. And if he was 185
Pounds and he was at the level that he was when he was 125. He would been he would have been a giant Superstar. He was that good. Everybody was like, he's the goat. You would watch him fight. He would go Jesus Christ. He's good. He beat Henry cejudo. Stopped him in the first round. They're fighting with Henry was running over everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Beat him in the first round. I stopped him in the first round
with his daddy. Would he think about this
dude? He grabbed me. Once we were playing around. I went up to him backstage at the UFC. I gave him a hug motherfucker Henry's bad.
Fucker But Mighty Mouse. I gave Mighty Mouse a hug and just playing, he hit me with two knees like that. Just touched my body. Didn't hurt me. But touched me so fast that it was like it was unsettling. So like I said, I feel right
now. He's
fighting for one FC and he just beat this dude. A broad Tang Rod. Tang is a high-level Mighty fighter, multiple.
All-time champion who is also like he's got more than 100 professional fights in my time. And he's fighting over in 1 FC. And their moment I Division and they had a mixed fight where the first rounds muy Thai. The second round is MMA. Okay, and so he got through the first round against Rod tang and then submitted him in the second round took his back and strangled him and put him to
sleep. Some people, it's a wildfire. Some people are born. The fight. Don't give the 100-pound
but it's
It's also like the balls to take a match like this because the first round he has to fight Rod tank style, and raw Tang, is top of the food chain Muay Thai. And when you're a specialist, in anything, like, especially specialist it striking, your advantage over someone else. When you know, there's no takedowns is gigantic. So this guy's kicking his legs out from under me smashing them every time he moves close to him. He's trying to light him up serious. You see in this lighting them up with elbows and knees and Mighty Mouse in a real-world situation. We just take this guy down, but he can't in this.
Whole round. So he has to fight the whole round with just my tie until the second round. When this is, where you see it. He gets his back and he just choked some completely unconscious and Rod tangs arms, go limp, but the dudes a warrior. He never Taps. You just went out badass. So that's where my mouse is. I think if I have to judge, it's like he's at the top of my list of the greatest of all time. But there's so many greatest of all times. It's like the greatest box for this guy, there Eckler,
something in from Holly. He's among
The little way down the cancer. What kind of cancer? Eklund something mean this guy before? It's a little skinny white boy, gets a mean.
Was he up a kickbox Ramon Decker's? Is that everything you do? Ramon, Decker's died of a heart attack.
I believe the young guy when he died.
Yes. He was pretty young. Yeah. He was a multiple time champion. And Ramon Decker's was just for Rochas you watch Ramon Decker's highlight reel. Holy fuck.
Look, that's why I was pissed
dude, Ramon Decker's how to get his ankles.
Refused because he shattered his ankles so many times from kicking into people's knees. Yeah, kicking it to people's knees kicking into people's elbows. He shattered all of his shit. So when he fought he had to get his stuff, he was he got to get his ankle fuse and then he would have to tape the fuck out of it, and they kept
fighting and they were told him.
Look, if you keep kicking with this leg, you could lose it and he get in a fight. Fuck you. Wow. He was an animal dude, Ramon Decker's is
like the legendary name. A small guy. Yes, that's it.
That's him. That's the greatest fight of my diamond. That's the greatest
fighter. He was a guy who went over to Thailand when no European was doing that. I was just talking everybody updated
fighter. That's my friend is fine.
He was so ferocious your universally loved amongst kickboxers like he's 100% respected his mother crazy Alto. Not only that but here's the thing about Ramon Decker's he was their size like a lot of guys went over the Thailand, but Tie fighters aren't is Big physical?
We as a lot of these, especially the Dutch guys are really big guys. Yeah, so he was a small guy there. Sighs fucking everybody up. Mmm. Ramon Decker's, was a Savage man. That's my favorite is my fav Savage later. He was, oh my God, like
such a,
and this is when it was just all glory, right? This wasn't a, we're getting famous
nothingness. He had the characteristics of a sentence. Very humble Shot, Ya kind. Yeah. It didn't universe.
He
loved universally loved by Fighters because he brought it every fight. Every fight was just wild but,
Hey, listen mean, doing for some badass. He for some guys, you got to beat them with baseball, bat face, and you can young fighter
who wants to learn boxing. You could do no better than to emulate this
know. This guy's mom,
always an animal. He was a straight up.
A mom
is one of the
alterations.
Across the top leg kick. That's a nasty
like this.
And again, this is when you're not talking about something that you got millions of dollars on the line. This is our guys who are fighting the like, so it were there. I can't, listen, he's loved it. Yeah,
that part of the world is filled with hard people, manning tough fight
in Holland, has some hard Fighters. There's so many Elite kickboxers came out of Holland and a lot of them out of a karate background. Yeah, a lot of them had
A lot of Choke
assuring always had great
fun. Mmm. Yeah, tough finally
Century. You think, Connors Gonna Come
Back?
I hope so because he's fun. You know, I hope he comes back but I think honestly like when boxers come back from a long layoff and they come back from A Loss. One thing that boxers do that smart is they have a tune-up fight. I think tuneup for, I think there's a reason why they've been used in tune up fights forever like a stupid managers. They know you got to knock the dust off and you'll be better in the next performance. Yeah, to jump right into a Dustin Poirier or right into, you know, name it Michael Chandler, like, right into a guy who's like, at the lead of the
I think, you know, I think what Connor needs to do is what Connor wants to do. If Connor thinks he can go up and fight Guzman, you know, and and, and make a big payday and try to become a three Division champion. He should do that. He should do whatever he wants to do. But if I was like a manager to him and I said, what's the best path to success? The best path to success is like the cowboy fight, no disrespect to Cowboy, but that fight turned out to be kind of like a warm-up fight being Connors a you know, he's a ferocious Striker and he took cowboy.
Way out in the first round. That doesn't mean that
cowboy is exciting,
though. Tom was very excited. But that's why that fight was a great fight because Cowboy didn't run from when we met him head-on and got caught, but if Connor wants the most chance of success, I would say, fight, a guy, who is a little below Championship level, maybe the guy on the come-up who like Connor as an advantage over, but it's still a competitive fight, give them a test, but don't put him in there, Rick right away with Usman and especially, who knows what's going on with this leg, but if
Your guy just wants to make the most amount of money. The most amount of money is fight news van and that's the most amount of challenge is probably the most amount of fear. He's going to
be going to do this. Do it. Right. Let's get a
tuneup if he's going to fight losing. Yeah, that's a scary ass
fight. If I had a way that if you find her, we're fighting the wind. That's good to know.
That is the guy that nobody called out. When you spawn was the contender and he was making his way through the ranks. Everybody. Shut the fuck up. It was nobody calling for that guy. I mean nobody and me.
Me I'll talk about with DC One cycle, you know who nobody calls for nobody calls for who smile Nigeria nightmares, like fuck that they don't want none of that. They don't want none of that. He was just steamrolling people and it was the way he was doing it. Like they didn't have a chance. Everybody's getting mauled. There was no clothes fights. It was just mulling. So it was just series of maulings. And that's the plan. Afoot Covington. Yeah. Well when he knocked out most of it all with one punch, that's when everybody's like, oh Jesus like now he's better in this striking as like his
King has reached like a super
Elite. Thank you so much bigger than and Colby. No miles of
it then Mazda doll. Yeah, he's bigger. He's bigger than everybody. One boss. Been all used to fight it. 55 most wants never making 55. He's the perfect size to make 170, he can get down to 170 and then he gets Eerie hydrates back up to probably if I had a guess. He's probably in a high
90s, you know, should we fight music
fight? Anybody? I would like to see him fight Canelo. I really would not because I think that he's
He's a favorite in a boxing match against one of the greatest boxers of all time, but I want to see him get a giant Payday the same way. I would like to see and gone and fight Tyson Fury. That's a way you can make a shitload of money. And I don't think a damages his potential as a UFC fighter. I think it would be invaluable experience for him as a champion. If he did have that fight and then came back over to MMA. I think it probably even better as I drag your thank you relatively undamaged. Even if he loses and
he's one of those guys, you like that, he's gonna feel some
pain.
It's going to feel some pain. It's not the it's not the same sport. But he's a dude that he knows how to win. Like I told you about his knees, his you have to understand this guy's mind set. His knees are destroyed. He had like that. Micros met with a smash it to try to resurface. It didn't work and made it worse because these are fucked. But he doesn't care. He just doesn't run, but he never runs out of cardio, like everything he does is just drive. It's all Plyometrics and all the strength and conditioning shit. He does in the gym. He's doing it with fucked up, knees. All the wrestling
drills. You know what I'm talking about?
I'm fighting that. It's not a tough man sport. It's a stinking Man sport and that a tough man is going to get really hurting this and this
sport. It's true. You tough guys,
smart plug, it really hurt in this game. You'll get really hurt a tough guy. That got us a white skills. He's gonna get hurt in this boxing game with this is all about thinking. Yeah. Would you want to be ya?
You have to be tough, but you also have to not ever want to prove that. You're tough exam. Got to be just
Proven your skillful that Li you know and always fight the best weather turns out, right? I don't care how
much you love this guy thinks a lot of punches. You don't turn
out whatever turns out, right. It never turns out, right? And it's sad when it becomes, like, they're calling cards that they get in wars. And then the fans want
Wars, then they get thick, might commit suicide, some stuff. So, who's a lot of
people that love the trilogy, between Micky, Ward and Arturo Gatti, right? I mean, they're amazing fights. Yeah, but not good for you. But if a mystery right now, not good for you. Those are not good.
Those are not good for you. Like those are the kind of fights. They stay with you for a
long fight. Those guys. It's just chemistry. They could never have. Oh my God. Fight. They're 100 years old. The fights will be but didn't find. God
is switch it up on one of the fights. I think about last fight, start and box them. See that was where you got to see the difference between Floyd Mayweather and everybody else. When Floyd Mayweather far, God and you go like, oh, yeah. Oh, do you know, impeccable? Here's the levels. There's a level that's one of the most amazing try to have.
I defend him condemned to the body. Will just
body. So so skillful gonna be held to the body, even though some of the great five, take your part
Joe. I'm just curious
because you interview so many amazing people, who are some people that are actually surprised you. And you did interview them like your perception of the of them actually changed because you interviewed them who some of your favorites
and why. Well, you do on musk is one of them. Elon Musk is over.
Really nice guy. He's like a genuinely nice guy who's trying to do the right thing, or
at least things out with some friends of mine. They say, I want, they want me to meet this guy. They always
I would love to introduce you to him. Yeah, I would love to, I think you would enjoy his company. He's a really nice guy of the campus,
very unassuming. The camphor. He's
very unassuming like for the smartest fucking guy in the world. Yeah. He's like really easy to talk to and he's interesting to talk to because like he's got solutions for shit and he's trying to do him like he's trying to implement solutions for electric cars and tunnels under
Is to alleviate traffic and putting people on Mars and all this wild shit. You like Jesus Christ. We're kind of lucky to have a dude like that a lot around. Who's got? All these wild ideas
about a lot of excellent. Tesla died. Unity government went and took all of ya.
Writings. I just watched a documentary
last week. Really? Oh, yeah, but that's why I'm trying to be the guy to know that they
took. It was amazing
what, you know, no, I'm Tesla had a gadget that was
It was a gadget to use the weather as a war machine.
Yeah, he had a lot of wild ideas. That's it was
respond to having the range Magnum in the rain for 50 nights. 29th in this state right here.
Yeah, you could like literally drown people out. Tesla had some wild wild ideas man. And a lot of them came to fruition like alternating current that was his idea. His idea was like, you know the AC/DC and like it used to be just direct current to be one level of electricity.
Went through every
device, always over B this, yeah, this
stuff. Yeah, he was a genius but he was a like a legit crazy person. There's a there's a documentary bottom and look Amazon
Prime. And it's just that. Um, listen, I tell everybody that everybody wants to be a friend of a jeans and nobody wants to know everyone and the way we deliver one,
living one of those fucking people. They're probably tortured. All
right, Alton idea for the time.
We can't have people dictating what people can acknowledge. No, that's not, that's not healthy, but not a realistic World. They did some things where they do. They wouldn't allow people to get links to certain news stories. They thought would be unfavorable towards particular candidates like that, shit's, dangerous, like you're controlling
elections, nothing but feel. They're talking about Beau Biden. Hanging out with
Whitey bulger's. Yeah, few, his nephew like, who cares? Who give it? That gives a shit. We have you that Whitey Bulger. Have somebody that's legitimate family. Okay Hunter. I want to hang out with her.
Yeah. I think that those hundred idea. I've never done Coke, but I'll do with him Hunter, the offer stands.
It's want to hang out with me like this.
A lot of money. I should get one. I need to get one now. Imma get one Hunter. If you're out there be and you co can do by a similar.
Now. You heard that, huh? I won't do Coke. I want
my kids watch this.
Not really doing Pro. What? Kids, a heart attack but I'm not gonna tell
ya. I do my job. Okay, that's one thing. I never fuck with ya know. Any mother do it honey. That's what I'm saying. Could it be the time I'm 54? When I was in high school, my good friend of mine. His cousin was selling Coke and they sold Coke and him and his girlfriend just huddled up in a fucking attic apartment. And they never came out and they lost weight and it looked like vampires and all they did was do Coke and watch TV and sell Coke and I was like, fuck this. It was literally like watching a friend who got bit by a vampire.
Fire. I should put holes in your brain and whatever it did to him. It became,
they became addicted to cocaine and cocaine crew. And all of them died with you. Right? Well today with
fentanyl, that's happening a lot. You know, there's a lot of people dying but they get some shit that's laced. It's scary stuff now. And it's all scary because it's illegal. If it was legal at all. Be real it would all be regulated. You would have like certified Purity standards for all these different things that people are taking anyway.
Especially when you get to a certain age, like if you're 42 year-old, man, who the fuck is supposed to tell you? You can't try. Heroin says, who says it was another 42 year old man. You can't handle it. Mike. Fuck you. Like you're a grown, man. Maybe maybe you're wrong. Maybe I try it. I only like to do it once and it makes me feel good. And I want to go read poetry and hang out and roll around and flowers. Maybe you're wrong. Like, how do we know? We don't know because they tell us it's illegal. And as long as things they illegal then people going to make
Cut versions where you going to buy, whatever you're trying to buy, whether it's you're trying to buy coke, whatever that's going to be fentanyl in it and you're going to die. And it's happens all the time now
than when I was younger before, we came famously to put the patch on my feet from the link of see it. Oh really, for When It Hurt No, it kills pain, but it but it's heroin. Once I you know, it takes you once I take it off.
It didn't slow you down. No, no
Well that took off. I thought bomb. Yeah, just like wow. Wow.
Yeah, you know, it doesn't slow.
On his weed, right?
No, he's nothing Michael. People think, like, how is Mike Tyson smoking weed and moved by so quick. I want room to don't forget your own speaking. Speaking of marijuana, which I
don't do is to put that out there for the NFL, good for
you. This episode is based off of 420. Can we talk
about some of your experiences with weed? And why do you think you're honestly should be integrated maybe in sports and, and just legalize honestly. Well, first of all for creativity, it has a great benefit for people for
Creativity. And one of the things about martial arts boxing, any kind of fighting sport is a lot of it is technique and implementation of technique is sometimes it's about creativity. Sometimes about setting things up, Roberto Duran used to do this thing where he would fake, a jab, fake, a right hand, and then step in, and hit you with a long jab. Anyway, I've how about pain and he did it a few times and then watch that combination has a slick fucking combination because he's eliciting to faints. There's a faint with the first job as a feint with the right.
And then a
long straight left hand, so he's popping you with the jab, but it's like a step in jab. I remember watching him go. That is so creepy. That's a creative move. Like he's learning technique, but it's also
recognizing the making the movie. Yes, he don't, he take him along with you. Yes. Head. Flashing the people's
Faith. Right? Right, and he looks like a
dainty little fighter
when we granted that jet black hair is
moving. We look like Charles Manson. Oh my God. Feel free to call him Charles Manson.
He was so scary.
When he was the champ, when he was a lightweight,
lightweight lightweight
can be Cannon days. You got to watch those old school. I remember odor. And remember
1980, when he might wind up in wealth, with the face Sugar, Ray Leonard with the biggest thing in the world. Hmm. It was huge. Yeah, Montreal. And when he goaded water
into a fucking slugfest, he gold goaded Leonard into trying to fight his kind of fight and to go mano a mano to be like, to show emotion is because Matthew look like we're part of the rattling.
I love Roberto Duran and it look at highlights of Roberto Duran.
Yeah, go Roberto Duran lightweight because those are the best years. It's not that she's great. But what he was, he was literally a Natural
Glow. It is a great with Japanese guy. Wow, that was a, oh my God. This is this.
Oh my goodness. That's it. That's welterweight. Yeah,
that's gonna be Davey more. Yes. I was there that night 16th. He
was one of the people that I met that it was a lot like me to use like, oh, shit. That's Roberto Duran for real. You know, it just doesn't seem real. You're really in his presence. Yeah.
Listen, right, up. I was fighting some out fake Michael Spinks,
right? Oh, that's what. Yeah, that's him against Camden County right there.
Look at him.
Man, he was so
fast. And it's
fucking paste. The paste
out of shape. Next time. I fight this guy, I'll tell him to the morgue instead of the hospital is ferocious. He was evil talking. Like all gifts. Hateful. Have you ever tried the toad at all Joe? I
had synthetic, find methoxy DMT I5, M e0 DMT, which is basically what that stuff is. Yeah. It's like, I mean from what I understand that.
With the DMT from the frog is right? The toad you scrape it off. They would put it on. They wouldn't miss initially, like, milk it on glass, right? And they cried out in the sun and then scrape it, and smoke it. So, I've had the synthetic version of that a couple of times three or four
times. I want to live the tail now in the white wizard to White. Have you had
it? Have you had the tote? Nothing? Nothing
Well cold-hearted. What's the lizard tail? Is that some new thing goes
opiates you literally
slip.
Look at that.
Look at him go. Oh my goodness. He was so ferocious man. So ferocious Duran in the lightweight era was just
some special hand the stone all made
- so ferocious.
Boom, you know, one of the things about your rise to the top, Mike. That was really interesting was how much you talked about film of old Fighters. I thought Jack Johnson Jack times. It was Harry greb.
Yeah, if you want to be the best, you have to watch the best. That
was such an amazing resource to have those films to watch those old guys fight and to like be able to break them down and you know, play it back
and watch them. See you in the game, Watch The Mosaic couple of times all day.
We'll fight like this guy
today. Kids have that today. Like they have that with YouTube's an amazing Advantage, but you can go on YouTube and you watched, I bet they have a Stanley ketchel. See, if there's a Stan, Lee
and Jack
Johnson. Yeah, Jack Johnson. He
definitely affect the fight right here, boo-boo Canada. Bad
mother. He was a bad motherfucker. He was
kicking. You ran that ass too Duran went low a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. I need them bad. And
he went low
Duran was an animal demand, a thread, hit him.
Low. Duran, was a fucking animal. Look.
At it. Look at it.
So you call it now. Stanley. Ketchel is now
underway champion and he fought Jack Johnson, who
is he gently washed out the light heavyweight champ before this fight and
he dropped Jack Johnson with a punch and Jack Johnson. Got very upset because he said he decided to beat the fuck out of
them under the 1909, crazy that a trunk just put on some big
underwear. So that's bad dudes. All had to wear hats. Everybody were had a drift back then. Yeah, all those dudes had hats on. Look at those dudes crayon.
Like, kind of dressup hats,
because listen, um, the car got became real famous in 1915. So people started to go travel the fights.
Hmm. Yes. That
would Jack Johnson, anybody wanted them to lose to the whole world. The whole country would go travel to see him lose.
We were playing the gym. The James Jeffries fight. I was a good one and we there's a there's like a documentary on YouTube that shows the lead-up to the James Jefferson because Jeffries was like 300-plus pounds.
So that we playing handball.
Yeah, and so they had to get
get him in shape and it took like, six months.
He'll even know what? Rankin know what you never could. The narrator can never explain how great Jim Jeffrey, wasn't it? Yeah, Jonathan can write it. Yeah, he was a bad man. Was like a human Bear.
Yeah. He was a bad man. It was a good fight. It would have been interesting to seen him fight Jack Johnson when he was younger. Before he
retired. He was a better fighter when he foot Jack Johnson doing. Can't he probably could have gotten better shipping for guy before Johnson, but
When he first started fighting, like the 1990s 1890, his hand was down but 19 years old by he paid the hands came
up really style chain. So he
learned, he never put his kid McCoy, a guy named Kim. Makoi. What the killing of Tommy Ryan is the wealth way. Middleweight champ Tommy Ryan and he taught some goodness. Hands up, Tommy Ryan was the most respected fighter back in the 1900s.
You know that Stanley ketchel video that we were just watching what Stanley ketchel fought Jack Johnson was
Crazy is like Stanley. Ketchel was a murderous puncher. And he looked like a regular guy. Like he was one of those
weird murders puncher. So listen, he was a gangster know who you thing out with you thing. I with them. Nothing James brother, but the Dalton Brothers. Oh really you? The gangster can. That's how you got killed? Because he molested somebody's girlfriend in the guy below though.
Like look, he's not like a big old muscular. But
listen, let me tell you something. Both of these guys is equally disliked in this country. Both of them.
Both of them is the scary guy that can he catch? He don't care, who do whatever he was. Just wild. If he saw your wife, had grabbed your way finding kill. He was just Fearless. That makes sense.
That makes sense that he was, that mean that's a hard time. And what time were you? What year was this?
When he was going down, he from Poland. He won the title at 1919. What year is this is
1909 1909. So think about that. That's a hard time 1909. It's like this in
this 1909 and wearing
Gloves your bitch cuz this is just leaving bare-knuckle fighting. Yeah. Laughter. And the who fight was, what, 1890, what 91-92.
So who was the last bare-knuckle champion was a journalist. I love full of he was the last one. Yeah.
Wow, what do you think about that? Bare-knuckle? Wisely to
they're doing now, what do you think about that bare-knuckle
boxing? Thank you.
The break. That's why they stopped being knuckle because the rounds, the rounds ended when you when you fit, when you drop it you got dropped. That was the end of around. So that's why you see a guy he went 50 rounds because he got dropped 50 times and soon, you know, but that was the end of the round and bare-knuckle fighting until the Marquess of Queensberry. You met. Three minutes woman arrest and
stuff. They're doing this weird thing now where they have, they have a kind of halfway glove. It's like a glove that goes over here. So I'll be your knuckles are exposed and it looks like it.
It wraps your wrist tight. Have you seen it? That's like what they're doing. They call it bare knuckle, but it's not just
this, it can't because it looks very hard enough. Will hit the knuckle, will go back into the bone. Especially the two small enough. So he should be directed, right? You know, me, but even during the wrecked is going to break, It's Not Meant to hit bone. The bone is not meant to hit bone.
That's going to be very short career, his short career. It seems like the end
of the found Savage.
It is, but if it lasts more than three rounds, these guys could take payments amount of hey. Yeah, Paulie malignaggi,
fought artem lobe off, right? And bare-knuckle. Yeah. I fought
fair enough. He would do the Pulga too much balls. To you'd be surprised. How many fighters have more balls than brains? Yeah. Yes, feel the that the balls and that feels that they've got the balls to do it Gladiators. Yeah, but it's always the esm.
It's just this fighting game. You can't be a tough guy. You know, you're going to get humbles being a tough guy in this box. Got to be scientific.
Yeah, there's always going to be someone like you, but as started through better. Yeah, and I think now, with like the level of athletes, everybody has access to all that footage that we were talking about. Like, yeah, go on and watch Julian Jackson fights. You can go on and you can watch Marvin Hagler in his prime. When he fought like Mustafa ham show and Jean John, the Beast mugabi. Whoo, those fights. John the Beast. Mugabi was murdering everybody, and
Even Hagler took everything polish took everything from a beat the Shadows skill. Yeah, everybody's scared to be said, Marvin Marvin only got knocked out one time in his career and it's an illegitimate knockdown, who wanted one rolled down
dammit that was knocked down by acting. So scared them off. And thanks to.
That is the scared. Well, it seems like more of a slip. It was like he pushed him
down. Low down with little Scamp. Yeah. Well,
it was good reason. Marvin back in that day was, he was the best and he was switch-hitting. He was he was South pain and was Orthodoxy go back and forth. Like
The way turns Crawford does it now? He's one of the only guys I can really do it at an elite level like amongst like top-flight boxers of today.
It was just to me. I was nice to people who mean to the fighting. This is a family is a tough guys. Tough fucking guy. Tom fun doing it too. Yeah. Yeah. He was
then moved to Brockton. Yeah, he was a monster when he was in his prime. He was a monster people, he would wear that hat that said war on it, he would train down at Cape Cod in July in brother.
So, it'd be an elimination will employ as a lot of my greatness that fucking first round was so crazy. When you watch that first round between her hands and haggle. You couldn't believe that. This is how they were choosing to fight.
Like, oh guys, guys. Listen,
we're wrapping this up. Yes. Well, listen man. It's been an honor to be on your show. Honor for you to be online to. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Was my really enjoyed it. We had a good night's game. You know, how to separate him. Pleasure meeting you. You are the reason why,
World has weight classes.
Meet use that big ego
is like I remember one time I was in Phoenix Arizona and we were late waiting in line to get into this place. And a dude walked by and he was like 350 pounds and he was like six foot nine and we're like, oh that's what a professional football player. It's like it's like when you see what it real life, you're like, holy shit.
They can't fit in any big. You have to be made. Everything has to be made a
tremendous everything. Well, anyway, gentlemen, thank you very much for
Neon and look, thank you again for being on my
show. Ever get home and get great times and great, took up my birds and stuff.
Yeah, we talked birds today to man. We talked pigeons. We talked to every Thousand Miles.
I gotta piss, they say they have some electronical thing on there.
Yeah, magnetite, right? Honey. They have so far. They have something that they think they also have Vision that they think allows them to see like magnetic grids. I'm pictures are amazing. These them all the time, to send messages, right,
Western Union.
They
Can navigate my first thousands of miles. They don't even know how they're doing it. They just guessing how they're doing. It. Wild. They have like a fucking magnet and thereby.
This isn't it? Mathis has to do with the Bible, with Moses. It wasn't an adult. With a pittance of doesn't do that. Frank James. Don't do it. Their messages. And those
are two pretty. Yeah, they're lazy. They don't have the endurance. Cavender Scrappy. Look, yeah, doves are too
beautiful. And too easy that the Hawks get the dog.
Plus, they're delicious
happy. We got a happy for 2020. Well, there you have it. This is hot boxing. That's Mike Tyson. Yes, our special guest Joe Rogan. Thank you very much. Have a good one. Thanks. Have a good one.
