Autumn Falls | Ep. 5

All right here today with the one and only my one of my personal favorites. Autumn Falls Autumn. How are you?

I'm good. How are

you good. It's been I think two years ago we met so I'm going to tell you because when you when you came here you're like nice to meet you. Yes, I'm a man. I'm immediately hurt by that because I was like yo, two years ago we met at a pier space where you did a shoot with Selena and one of the plug. Yes. So now you remember I remember I I got

That day. And I was like, I had just gone into doing kind of like helping with the only fan stuff. Hmm. So that was all new to me but I remember I was like blown away because when I saw yours like damn these girls are beautiful in person. Never see him in person and then you Selena and Lana went and did like a full day's shoot and I was like damn they this is a real thing. Like these girls

work. Yeah, we

do. How long have you known like Lennon? Ow,

I've known Lana since 2019.

We did our first collab back then that's when like private Snapchat was like a thing. Oh shit. Yeah. And how was that good? It was good. Yeah it was good. And so do you do you remain friends with like a lot of other girls in the industry? Or how does that? There's a more business. I've personally feel it's more business. I'm sure those girls are friends, I guess for me, I

I don't know. I've I don't really I don't really get close to girls as much as I would like

to we talk right before this. You said the Ops but one of my good friends Bradley Martin. That was the first podcast you ever did. Was he went on? Raw talk. Yes. And so I'm curious because now it's like you see Lenna she's fucking she has her own show plug, talk she does and then Sky Bree. Who were talking about, she's all over podcast. Why do you think your so? Are you are

You shy or why don't you want to do more

shows? I am such a shy girl. I feel like I'm very quiet person in general. So me talking and opening myself up as like super needed

me and so, this is the second part you ever done ever? Yeah, that's fucking go baby. Honestly, if this was launched before Brad's to, if I was up and rolling, you play, come on this before. Brad's, right? Yeah, okay. So we're good. Perfect. So how are you

22? Yeah.

I'm 22.

Now, when did you get into the industry? How did that? How did the first? Like your first I guess video or whatever?

Start. So I would say I got into the industry. When I was 18, two months after I turned 18, it was something that I was like planning on doing for a while. So I started out like webcamming for the first.

Two months then I got the opportunity to shoot in Florida and then after five I just kind of took off. Yeah it took off.

What made you decide like hey like I want to try this was it like money or was it just like I'm comfortable with my myself my body?

Yeah, it was never about money because I never I didn't think I was going to make, you know, a lot of money I didn't think about about money at all, but I did really well I remember was

first two weeks of camming and I was like, oh my gosh is this like

This is how like this is what I can do. Yeah. And make make a living out of that.

So can you make this is a random story but I hooked up with this girl a year and a half ago in Arizona and she was like we hooked up a couple times. She's like you know what I do for a living I was like now I have no idea. She's like my webcam girl and I was like oh really. So you can make a full living off just webcam

stuff. Yeah. I feel like you can. I feel like the first two weeks of work

Jamming. I made 15,000 and I was two weeks and two weeks and I was right before school because I was going to my senior year of high school. Oh shit. And I was like oh my gosh ha

ha. Where does that like where do you go for the webcam stuff that a site or you just subscribe.

Um, it's a sight. I won't name the site because I forgot what it was called. But yeah, I did that in my

bedroom nice and then does. So, I mean obviously this is probably

And you have been asked before. But are you said you're a senior in high school? Does that worry you like, you know, my face and everything is people are just going to like know who I am

now. No, I was ready for it. I was so comfortable in my body already. I've always been that way. I developed very early. I felt very confident in myself naturally. So if I knew that, if I was going to get into any like sex work, I knew that I was going to be confident, no matter what.

Yeah, yeah. And I know that like family friends, like people who like even worked at my school, I knew there were gonna find out no matter what. So

did you continue? Scared.

Yeah, I did did it.

So did people like start to one day you're walking on the home? People looking at you, different

or so it was very early on from what I was told a girl was talking about me in class

And that's when a teacher found out what I was doing. Okay. So

basically in the girl was talking shit,

she was just talk, I don't think it was maybe gossiping about

me. Okay well I don't appreciate that from that girl. I know. But she how she watches this? And I don't fuck with you at all. How does she like find the video

though? How does she? Well, I was also promoting it on my Instagram, like I'm actually on my Instagram stories

and so you totally did go for it.

Yeah, I just went for it. I

I was you know talking on my Instagram saying hey like I'm gonna go on live I'm gonna hell yeah yeah go on live on webcam right now like click the link you know come see me so I was already like promoting myself so I like girls who followed me on Instagram

new did you have like followers at that point where

were you low?

I was I think back then, I was probably

Just naturally without anything I would say

3,000. Okay. So that's pretty

low. Yeah, pretty low, but I was just like me in high school. So what happens when the teacher found out that she talked to you? Yeah. So basically the teacher talked to the principal and what the principal like ended up making like this whole meeting with you involved. Yeah, so it's like the principal me, the guidance counselor and my mom on the phone.

And my mom already knew at this point though. Yeah,

I'm just curious. Like, what if you're do, whatever you're doing is perfectly legal? Are they like saying, what, what like, what are they saying at that

point? So yeah, they were basically saying that I cannot be in the school while doing this type of work even though I'm 18 and legal. A lot of the kids in school are under 18. Yeah yeah. So I was 18 the kids in my school were not so it's not appropriate either way. So the

People made made like this type of agreement where I continue online school and I had like three classes left. So it was very special for me because no kids in my school did online. So,

wow. Well, I got a show. That's you got to show them love. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it was having your back right

there. Yeah, I was really nervous about that conversation cause I didn't know what was going to happen. Yeah, so my mom had my back. She didn't, she wasn't

Happy and what I was doing, but she knew that I was gonna like, do what I wanted to do.

Yeah. Where did you grow up? What state is this in?

Yeah, so I grew up in Manhattan in New York. Yeah, I grew up in New York. Oh shit. And then the last two years of high school I was in Connecticut. My mom ended up getting a house there, got it. Um,

but so yeah, you you continue School, you finish online. And then where does it go from there?

R like do people when your webcam do they like do producers or whatever people are brand, start to reach out to you or how does that go

down? So basically I only did webcamming for like that short period of time. So as soon as I went to online school that's when I found my agent in the adult industry and after that I flew out to Florida and that's when I started to like start

Career in

that. Can we talk about what your first gig was?

Yeah my first gig it was browsers, it was a girl girl seen nice and everyone knows browsers obviously everyone knows browsers and yeah and then after that I started getting booked like I was working probably five to six days a week. Wow yeah and most of it was like shooting with like they call it like boy girl like shooting with like a girl.

And a guy and a girl, so that's

like sure to things for. Can I can I ask about that first bag from

browsers? Yeah, so my first scene for a girl girl, a standard new girl rate, I believe it was. 800, it's not yours. Yeah. In 2018.

Damn, that seems cheap to me. I guess you're like a rookie at that

point. Yeah, so it was pretty cheap. Honestly like, if it was different now if I was a new girl now and had a lot of fun,

Lowers and it will be different, but since I was new

and so do you just do the scene? Like, do they expect you to promote it on your own and stuff like that or you just do the scene? You're out of there? You get your 800 that's it.

Yeah. So basically I go in hair and makeup, sign, paperwork, shoot the scene and then

leave okay, yeah, and then did you prefer or did you request like girl girl, that was the first like they offer that in your like you either take it or you

don't. Yeah. So basically

luckily, I just got booked so my agent just booked me for

For whatever company, for whatever, like companies were like interested in Booking me, for mmm. So, it just so happens to be. I was booked for a girl, girl, got it.

Yeah. And you are cool with like, how do you had experience with that before? He was like yeah. Like was that a new

thing? It was my first ever

experience the first time ever and it's filmed with browsers. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Were you nervous or you were just fuck it. Let's go with it.

I was so nervous but then also I feel like back then

Was very open. I was just ready to explore - and explore my

sexuality. Good for you and you said that after that is like five to six days a week.

Yeah. I was shooting a lot and very small amount of

time. I know that sounded at first. I was like I was like damn that's a lot but like I'm also probably like sexually active five to six days a week like

yeah. I showed you my I feel like I still have it on me.

A laptop, but if I showed you, I had all the days. I was booked for and the days I did shoe and it was like,

Within six months. It was almost a hundred scenes and that's almost like every day, like fucking someone. Like it was a lot on my body. Okay. But was

it any like people coming back or was it new people?

It was a lot of it was the same people and then some more Neil.

So what do you think? Like different amount of people in that six months? Because I'm like kind of competing with you right now? Because I probably like, last six months, probably, like, 50 75 cap bodies. Uh,

What do you think it was more like than that?

I don't remember. I feel like I have to look, but a lot of the male Talent. It's always the same people. So there's not a lot of like people and

that makes sense. Yeah. So we're about we're about, we're at about the

same. Yeah, we're I think we're at,

I gotta get paid to do this shit. That's a difference. I do this shit for free, so so when I met you two years ago, you were like popping. At that point. I remember I was talking to so we know and I was like yeah this and I think we maybe I had heard of you from Riley Reid, really? Yeah, I think it was right.

Lee Read, and we just stumbled upon you. And that was two years ago. And I was like, yo, this Autumn is popping. She like, we got to do a collab with her and so, when did it like, what was the big breaking day? Where things just took off?

I feel like do you mean on social media? Because

I feel like in general because you won the award that year to write?

No, I didn't. I've won awards. I believe in 2020. That's when I want a lot of I want to feel worried

It's so it was mostly in 2020 I believe and then I met you and 2021 so it was like a year afterwards, okay?

Pat's. I feel like I started, you know, becoming more popular. It also was because I was shooting for like, you know, big companies which brought my followers on social media but then also, when I did a collab with like Lana roads back in, I believe it was like 2019 that also like grew my social media and collaborate. With other

girls to was the one arose was out of social.

Media club or you guys did a scene

together. We did content for only fans, got it? Yeah

that's interesting because I want to ask you

now. Sorry Snapchat. That's some Snapchat was popular. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a long time

ago. That's crazy. Now Snapchats like the new thing are you also

after? No Snapchat was like the old

thing. No. But I mean like now to be more public. You like people make so much money just from like vlogging their shit. Yeah. It's like the new thing. I swear

I don't have Snapchat anymore. I got deleted. Yeah, well you're

crazy. Um.

So now now you're obviously very successful, we've been doing this for a while. How do you balance or how does it work now with? Like when you focus on only fans as opposed to like being on a site?

So before the pandemic,

Browsers. Offered me a contract

deal exclusive.

Hmm. An exclusive contract deal where I shoot this - Ian's I get paid this amount and I did commit to that. But then since covid havin that contract fell through, which I'm kind of happy about our you are. Yeah, because that's when only fans started to get like pop in. So I took more time to focus on that.

Got it? Yeah. But only the browsers was it was like a good a good deal but I personally just thought only fans was

better. What is it about browsers? That is so like why does it have such a draw to? Because I get the best looking girls, like what is it? That's really high production but I feel like everyone thinks browsers and I think that's Top Dog.

Yeah I don't know. I feel like I feel like that's the place where everyone knows.

Those who browser's are and like probably that's one of the sites that people go to.

You probably said a lot on PornHub. Yeah,

you know, is there any scenes where they like you just were like, yo, I don't want to do this one or.

Yeah. I mean there was times where I was like,

can you talk about a specific or

no? Let's see

where your saikyo. Holy, fuck, I'm out on this one.

Yeah, I mean there was I mentioned this on like another channel before I fuck

I thought we were fucking, this is ground. Breaking news right here. We're releasing new info

on this. Okay. Newton fell, I mean, it's a it's a lot of the same thing where it's like, I'm trying to think I don't have a lot of experiences but then I don't want to share it. Okay. You're too crazy but I can like this one experience like this happened, like three times before. So I'm I can say like the same story and a different way but when the guys doesn't get hard,

Hard. And so, we're there for, like, a longer period of on a time. I was 18 and I literally I cried a little. I was like, is it me

and my the problem I've gone through that before. Yeah, that's the worst thing ever like well because it can be offensive. Mmm. Usually, I don't have that, like, I'm good with that. But like, if you drink too much, then that's a problem. I'll obviously the porn industry. That's not because of that, right? Yeah, because, I mean, a lot of, you know, either people,

What was that guy by

the way, I don't even remember

backlash. You guys that's embarrassing for that guy. Like I don't know who else he could be banging to like have it work. Yeah. But that's like holy fuck bro. You gotta show up for

that. Oh my gosh. Yeah and it was get a second chance. We ended up doing the scene we ended up like doing the whole thing.

They take like pills are

like they I don't know what they do. Pills some people like take like

shots are there still fluffers? You know what a fluffer is?

Yeah. Like someone on set. Who will get you hard before you're seen? Yeah. Is that exist? Yeah, Scott's back. There's of spent a lot of time. Yo, dude. Can you grab me a happy to do? You mind not at all. Thank you. Okay, so we have scenes that so what? Ho. So that's the only time, like, you just felt like uncomfortable. Like, oh, is it me? Took it personally.

Yeah. And then it will like, it will just make the day, much longer. And

is that kind of like sitting there like apologizing? He's probably like this never happens like yes, of course, because then,

It's a

barest. Hmm. And I feel like there's other times too but another another time where I just shot so much that I literally could not just, I couldn't just like one day. Well, not in one day, but like when I'm, you know, shooting every day and it's like, imagine it's like fucking a guy. I mean, you can't imagine that. I can imagine that like, fucking someone every day and that's what I was doing. So, it took

Took a toll thank you on my body. So I was like oh it was very tiring but I enjoyed it at the same time so it was it was fun. I enjoyed it but then also I did wish I could have managed. Yeah, my schedule more to. Well now I have to ask you this what is the most, you know, the most amount of days in a row that you've liked had scenes or whatever,

The most amount of days in a row was 66 was the most one day off and then you go right back into six. Yes. Yeah. And we all know and you mentioned this to me, you have your boyfriend, right? How long you guys been together? We've been together for four years. Wow. And he's also an industry. Yeah, yeah. Does that, is there any like

Like because I always want her to, how do you keep it? So it's strictly businesslike. Is there ever a time like on set where somebody like maybe there's obviously a line between professional and like yo we're having sex but how do you make sure like there's no emotion involved in? Has there ever been a time where like someone's like getting too emotionally? Like dude, like this is a business.

Yeah. I feel like it's all about trust, you know, if you just, I trust him. He trusted me. So I feel like

As long as we like, you know, have that set

and there's like a fine line of like yo this is we both know what we do. Exactly

at the end of the day it's

all on our off day we go to Target. We fucking yeah

nothing. Yeah

exactly. Yeah, that's good. I have to ask if you've ever worked with the sin Master, Johnny Simms

himself. I have you have. Yeah what the fuck? He fucks good? Yeah does he he's like yeah

I honestly don't know what the draw is because like I watch him and like me.

B, I mean he's a tall guy but I don't see like what's so special like about

him just the way. He Fox is

nice. Like he's just he just knows what he's doing.

Yeah.

Yeah I'm gonna tell you a quick story. I went to Cabo two years ago and I was actually with Brad. Okay. We had three Latina hookers at the place. Oh, and he pussied out so it was left at like they were there. They like it was left up to me, right? I had to

Handle three, which was like, not in. I could do it obviously, but after I was done like, they were like, they started calling me stiney sins.

I'm not even kidding. You fucked three, go, 33. And I had like, I felt like, I had no choice like it. I would start to get nervous like when you were talk about your first gig. That's how I kind of felt. I was like, yo, like bro, you gotta man the fuck up and you gotta go in there and you got to handle this and I

were handled it like a

champ. I did. I swear and they were kind of tiny. Since that was my name. Like the hotel guy like the fucking Belmond at me up and was like, yo, I heard about that. So it was it was cool. Like, I felt like the man. But yeah. And also I also like a

After that, I thought about kind of like, getting into the industry.

Why is that funny? You have a tiny penis set. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, um, there was like a casting and it was like a little bitch. Comes home to stepmother. She seduces him and they cast me for it. Okay. I didn't. I was gonna do it, but I didn't feel comfortable with like, being called a little bitch was like, yo can we change that to like little brother or something? But they were like it hot. You have to be a little bitch. Yeah. Like I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, don't do it. No. So I came back and and they were like

Talking to that. And now I'm going to ask you because I don't know if it was like they didn't want to cast me. But like, is there like a like a fine line between like what like sighs like, like have to be to make sure you get the

gig? No, I honestly don't know, but I feel like all the guys, I shot with they're pretty, pretty average or above average, but I'm saying, like, I did like all the equations like equations. Do you know that? No,

No. There's like with times angle X angle of the tip. I met all the criteria? Yeah. But you're good. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But like you do see these guys on sites and you're like holy shit I can't compete with that. Yeah. But you know what? It's how you use it? You would probably be good. I can only fans then you don't have to work for companies work for yourself. It's not the same though. I want to be wanted by a brand new brands. Get like obviously they're like we've seen browsers. There's fucking new.

Oh yeah. I'm surprised you. I think it's a company. No one

knows shit. That's not good for me. But yeah,

no, yeah. That like a few times

I knew that I did my research. I don't know who they are, besides that. But it does it kick like competitive like browsers. Like yo, we need all them new balfanz, like, yeah, we need Autumn.

Um, no, I feel like, it's pretty simple, my agent at the time. He did all the bookings, so it wasn't a matter of like, we need her for, for this boat. We need her.

For that day, too. So it was never like that. It was whatever, they whatever openings I had. They were stuck.

What do you think? Now that you're, I mean you're one of the top names obviously is there? Like a ranking, there's a ranking, right?

Yeah, there's a ranking on PornHub.

You know, your current rank which should be fucking top three.

For sure. I I was I haven't checked recently but definitely top.

Girls get like competitive about that. I

don't know. I don't never had like else couldn't be competitive about that naturally, but I don't know anyone who like thinks about it all the

time. Sure. Have you ever had a situation where there was a collab? And it seems like, honestly, everyone. Pretty much is very, like, nose knows the assignment. Like, this is what we're here to do. But has there ever been an issue or there's like a jealousy thing or like,

oh yeah. I've heard stories about

How, you know, girls can complain about not having enough screen time, really? Yeah. Like when fucking a guy, they want more screen time

when it's one-on-one or when there's two and one.

Yeah, when there's like two girls are more than one girl. Like I've heard girls complain about that and they want, you know, their time on camera. Oh wow. Yeah, I mean that that's definitely something to get jealous over. Yeah, I mean, I guess girls can be jealous and that

Way, but I never really went shooting. I never really felt like that. I feel like I've done a lot of scenes where it's just me and the guy, but then now I do only fans content where I shoot with a girl and, you know, a guy and I feel like it's equally like you just have to, like, share, share the cock the same.

Yeah, that's, that's got to be calculated though.

Yeah, I do ever be like, yo you're up or like it's just

like naturally happens when like go girl. Oh take it. Like you

know that's good as long as it works out. There's no fucking arguing or whatever. No. Yeah. What do you think now? So you've done like your Pinnacle right? Are you're still growing but you like I'd say is it fair to say you're in your Prime right now

II? Can't even tell. I feel like I am in my Prime especially with my age. I'm still

crazy only 22, you got a lot of like, you got

Many, many, many

years, many years of growing and, you know, becoming like the full like the full like version of myself. So

is there like an ultimate goal you want to get

to? I feel like I would love to just keep growing, you know, being on social media, more doing more podcasts, doing my podcast,

talking. Maybe you do more like Tick-Tock and more.

I'm like exact selfie

videos? Yeah. Should I

I think you should? I don't know what

he's like, Instagram. So do you

have any? Okay, so let's talk. Let's talk to you things now. In regards your Instagram, I started following you and then you open my DME, follow me back. And the immediately every single day of my life, I get tagged in five fucking comments that say Stein. He's now with Autumn Falls. I took a picture on them, on the jet, with this chick. That was straddling me, right? Yes, yeah. I was totally cool.

But this guy's like, yo, that's Autumn Falls. And I was like, dude. No, it's fucking not and I thought you were going to see that and be like this kids a weirdo. He's fucking saying that. That was me and I was like, yo, it's not and then I look at my stories and I have 15 tags stories. That also tagged you, it's just as Autumn false, tiny Autumn Fall signing them. Like, what, like, what is going on? I'm trying to Manifest this urn. No, there's, there's some like, I don't know if that's a stalker, like, what the fuck is going on?

It says crazy.

Internet troll that has been trolling me for three

years, definitely watching this, which

is he's definitely watching this. If you're watching,

please last tags and just it's not it's going to happen but yeah, alone does that does that ever skiers like scare you or be like, yo, what the

fuck? Um, it doesn't scare me because this person like doesn't, you know, know where I live or anything. So it's not a stalker. It's just a very annoying troll. So, this person control you

You and they Pho controls me. Now,

your trolls are coming to me

now, I feel so bad. Where is it? So

bad. I'll drop my address and I'll take care of it. For both of us. Would you appreciate that or

not? I would add her if you can fix

stuff. It's fucking Scotty back there. Maybe he's sick. Fuck, no. But I was just like, damn, like, is that ever like a worry? Because there are people, I think, guys out there that do get like, obsessed with porn that they fall in love with porn stars. Like is that ever like a scary thing where you're like, holy shit, I gotta watch my six.

Honestly, the other has been times where I, you know, think about that. But then also, since I'm such a homebody, I'm like, like the comfort of my own home but I did have experiences where people, you know, acts very, you know, we are towards me

or no, that's a shitty, right?

Yeah. Super shitty but on the sweetest person. So if someone like, you know,

Where to come up to me and wanted to talk. I

know you're incredibly, I'm gonna have your back to you because I've met you now twice and both times. You've been the sweetest person. Like I've actually been like, blown away like wow, Autumn is so cool. Tolds. Like me and Selena talked about to her like damn, like she's such a good person. What are you doing after this?

I'm doing now. I'm getting a drink. If know what the hell? I'm getting I'm down. No, yeah, no, you're not taking me out and I would, but ya know, I would 100%. So let's talk about the one. There's like, a, like this is probably thought about, right? Like when, when do you want to like let's say you want to have a family or you don't want to do this anymore, is that like a thought in your head or do you just focus on right now? I feel like

I've always had thoughts like that in my head, but, you know, I feel like doing social media doing, like, only fans is, you know, is always gonna like be there for me. So I feel like that's always something I'm gonna keep doing. I see myself doing at

least for a while for

a while until there's like, you know, something something different. But I can see myself doing. I love doing social media. Sure making my own content and

And yeah, so I don't see it.

Changing have a question from the booth can I have can I fire a question? Yeah my question is you're doing your scenes or whatever and you go for like 40 minutes when you're off camera? What is like the optimal time to have sex? For great question,

I would say a good amount of time. I feel like

Like off camera just for you. What's your what's your

20, 30 minutes, I don't

know. Yeah, I do actually, you think

I wouldn't want to like having? I wouldn't want to have sex for like an hour right now that you have like, you know, multiple rounds and like short like a good amount of time and like,

what's the longest session? You think you ever had where you were? Just like five

hours? No. Alright. Like spy

like five rounds. But that was a that was a that was scenes or with the

boyfriend and my personal life.

Oh shit. Oh, that's that's not

it. But it's like imagine it's like fucking like just even without the guy coming. Just so if that's like five hours in the guy coming only ones like that's too much. Yeah. But if it's like you know, a little like here, a little bit of that like you know, this is a spread out. Okay, that makes sense.

So off of that this is like something. I'll talk about, I'm not going to say names because they'll be fucking buried right now, but going off some stuff. I feel like I'm

During the show with my friends, right? If you're a year, let's say you've been with a girl for a year, right? Okay. Naturally with any person, the sex can get old, what do you have to do? If you're at that year year and a half two years to just fucking make it interesting again. Like what's the best advice for that? That's a problem.

I know I feel like, you know, people can struggle with that but I honestly feel like changing up the location. Don't just fucking your bedroom all the time, like get a little

Oh,

wild location over

outfit. Yeah, like location. Like we're some sexy like clothes. I don't know. Like

what's your, is there any crazy roleplay of ever done like? Have you ever done like some like like movie type shit?

I mean, I can't sometimes I feel like I like, you know, like a little schoolgirl that's cliche like a cliche but eyelet eyelet that I can. I can do that. I also

What else?

What about incorporating toys is that help? Bringing toys, easy Scott, so much fucking from the booth. But yes, that's a good question

toys. I don't really use like toys, like, in my personal. I had this, you know, this

girl one time I've ever seen Harry Potter,

Yeah, you know who Peter is, you know, who Peter Pettigrew is? No, I don't. He's like the, he's like transform into a rat. So like he his his move is like he's a wizard, right? But he's for Voldemort, but he can transform into a rat and this girl wanted me to have a want to be Peter Pettigrew and she was like Hermione. And so I was like, like going like this, like, like crawling around the room, like a rat, and then she would waive her wand. I'd come into a real person and hat,