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All right, guys. Bang, bang. I've got Jessica here. How are you?
I am so well,
we are doing this in Miami. You live in LA. I do. What's the biggest difference? You've seen so far between LA and
Miami? Oh, it's been so nice to come and get a taste of my old life. I was likening Miami to Santa Monica yesterday. It's so nice. That people are happy and they're hanging out with each other and dancing with Amy is relatively acting, you know.
Normal. So it's like a time machine to come here.
What do you mean old life like what has changed in
La? Well, I had customized my life into something. I was I was pretty happy about, I mean Los. Angeles is pretty great. You know, if you're if you're plugged into the into the scene and beaches and Free People, and Entrepreneurship and lots of opportunities everywhere you go and Film Production, and that's all done. Unless you're, of course, in a union, so you can still do production if you're in a union.
So it's just nice to come here and live. Normally we moved a charity event that had been on pause for 16 months in Hollywood and we knew that that wasn't going to be available to us anytime soon. So we moved the production down here in Miami, which was nice as like 350 people. No capacity count. So yeah, it was nice to come to
SLS. This is exactly what the Bitcoin conference.
Doing they were in San Francisco for years and they've moved it to Miami because Miami is open. And California is
not yeah. What else you gonna do? I mean it's a prime example of, you know, money goes where its treated best. So why, why would the charity not as well and why would Bitcoin conference not?
What's the problem in California? Is it literally just bad leadership? Is it like some sort of political like kind of consensus that's been reached? Is it the weather's too nice and therefore that brings like stupidity like
Like just what's going on there? Well, looks
like a fascist takeover to me. So, what do you mean by that? Well, nobody the movies. Always primed us to believe that official fascistic takeover was going to come in the right wing, right? If you look in film, but it came in the form of left-wing leadership and that was unexpected. So
what are the signs that you think point to like this is absolute chaos and nonsense and
Like this isn't going to be a temporary thing.
Well optimism is a state of mind that I had always self identified with but as an optimist. Yes so that's been paused you know, so I just I don't I don't see anything. That makes me think that it's going to go away anytime soon.
So you've become from an optimist to a pessimist and is that a realist? A realist. Okay. What is the difference between being a
A pessimist versus a
realist. Well I just don't want to hold on to the vision that I had in LA to believe that it's going to get better any time soon. I feel like, you know, a room full of New Yorkers, Mike tend to agree with me on that. Holding Out for Threads of Hope is just holding me back from beginning a new life somewhere. You know whether it be Texas or Florida. I'm only going to go to a red Haven because that's just the only place I can go. Where I feel like any of my rights are going to be
Acted. What do your friends? Think about all this? I'm assuming that most of your friends are in the kind of creative community in ela, or Southern California, the assumption would be or the generalization, they're mostly Democrats. They mostly agree with a lot of these policies. One, is that true in to do they think that you've liked gone
crazy? Well, you get a certain amount of criticism, no matter what you do and I'm not particularly sensitive to that. So it's been okay. I
It's hard to say. I mean, it's been 14 months. Now of the red pilling, you know, yielding, orange pilling. So I guess that it's just I've swapped my friends. I don't know what to say. I mean 14 months is a long time. You can build a whole new life by then and that's what I've done
in business. They call rotating the shareholder base. Meaning that hey all my shareholders were really into this one business strategy. We're not going to go a different direction. The way that we have to do that as we rotate the shareholder base, we change.
The people from the people who agree with strategy one and we find people who agree with strategy to sounds like, that's what you're doing with your friend group is to some degree rotating the friend group, so that the people who have different views, you're just not as interested in that anymore. And so you found new
friends. Yeah. When you've determined there's a problem with what's there. I mean you have to have some intentional, artistic freedom in your own life, to realize that you're curating your life by who you fill your day with and the causes.
You support and the shows that you watch and you know, I've all but turned that propaganda box off. Just it's a big YouTube player for me now. So yeah. So I just it's not that I willingly wrote off any of my friends, we're just not aligned in a way where when they write me I just don't I don't want to see them you know. So I mean I guess that's
do they like understand that and like want to Stage interventions and they're like happy somebody
Save her. Well, it's interesting because despite the foundation you've built, if you go against the mainstream narrative, it's dangerous for them especially in an image-based industry. Like like what I do so it just they don't, they're not, I don't know. I guess it's a testament to the fact of how pervasive, the, the brainwashing has become. So,
I've seen you tweet that people are the problem, but that also means that people are the solution K, talk about that a little bit, like what?
You mean by
that? People are the people are a lot of my personal problems. I mean, I'm, I'm but also their the solution because if you, if you so people can repair themselves so they can become their own solution. But also we're just here. People think that acts of evil or committed by these people that are somehow just Straight From Hell, which is not true. Everything good, that's happened. In the world is done by Regular People and regular people also commit all the
Also, these historically. So despite the fact that there's a lot of bad people in the world, do it? Well, there's a lot of people doing bad things. There's also a lot of people doing good things, so there the problem, but they're also the solution.
How do you determine somebody doing an action? Whether it's good or bad? Is it just how you personally evaluate it? And you may see an action as good and somebody else may see it as bad or do you think that there's like fundamental or inherent good and evil?
Well, I feel like I a lot of things were less.
Detectable before. So but now that you know, the fish is stick takeover is here it's it's it's separated people more. So it's pretty evident to me and if I think that you're on the other side of that, that I think is detrimental to society, then it's really easy. I can just
Take you out of my life. And so, then I'm naturally only feeding in and participating in conversation, aligned with the people who at least recognize the same problems that I have. It doesn't mean that we're going to agree on everything, I mean that's sort of ridiculous if you're an individualist at all then you you respect these boundaries between people so it's not that people have to be a duplicate. Life would be pretty boring if everybody was a duplicate of me, I mean I already have me all the time so I'm you know welcome I'm open to other ideas.
About things but there are some hard lines that I've just had to draw and if we don't what are we, what are we going to do? I mean
how do you evaluate like what information to consume versus not know? You're like a big fan of Tim pool and there's a bunch of other folks that you've tweeted out over time? Is it just your scrolling down on the internet? You find something it's interesting and so you just spend more time on it and kind of consume more and more over time. Do you intentionally go like looking for certain type of information? Just like what? I guess how do you form your content diet compared?
Just turn the TV on listen to whatever they tell you.
Yeah, well like I said, turn the TV off completely so that helps in community is something you build in curate over time. And so of course, I'll watch your show and see the guess you bring on and then so that'll make me want to follow them on Twitter. And then I see the content that they make. And and a lot of its just my natural, what I'm magnetized towards, if I find it interesting, I'll give it some time. And, and so there's there's a nice like home base, like, Joe Rogan's kind of
Cast home base. So it's fun to see who his guests are and then go and follow them out.
Do you listen to him as much as you used to know? It went to Spotify
know there's a lot of myths about a Mustang way controlled opposition just because I'm a YouTuber and so it doesn't mean that I won't follow people off of YouTube just like you know some threats like Steven Crowder, you know getting deleted and in everybody getting censored so heavily. So I don't want to say
That I'm going to stick with the with the platform more than the creators because there's still a rightness and wrongness that I'm going to side with on that. So I guess it was just the fact that Spotify only recently got the infrastructure built to wear through the television. You could watch the podcast episodes and I like watching it. I mean he's got that everything. You know, the studio and everything is May is made for consumption to watch the video too. So it's great production.
Yeah. So I just wanted that and I would listen to some audio here and there because it wasn't that I couldn't have it. It's just not it's not the process. It's not. I wouldn't listen to Rogen while driving or something even though I could if I was particularly interested, so I'm happy that they put the video back up.
The whole idea of people being the solution, you've also tweeted saying that in order for you to trust somebody you have to know that they trust themselves. I think there's a fascinating concept of just like
If somebody doesn't trust themselves is that another way of just nicely saying like they're full of shit, or do you mean something else by like whether somebody trust themselves or not?
I guess you could measure that in many different ways. People are of course, going to feel more confident about you. If you're confident in your own opinion, I mean, you know, that as a natural born leader, you can't you can't waffle and you can't.
Add too much doubt as to how you perceive things. Now, it's silly to say that people can't have the freedom to change their mind because that's just adjusting to the new information, you get. But people discredit themselves with siding with things that I know to be untrue and they're doing it just because they're, you know, little group. Are they virtually signaling? Yeah, those types of things. So when you deviate from what I know to be true,
As its emerged in me, I'm just not interested in giving those people my time and attention because if you're a sellout then why would I want you?
So it's almost like trust in yourself is really the measure of like authenticity the car. You actually saying the things you believe or are you simply doing what you think? Other people want you to
do. Yeah. And if people show me that they have no Integrity. Why would I keep them around? The whole world has gone to hell because of the fact that you can buy everybody off. So, when I see that,
I mean, obviously, we all have to make money and we all, you know, people have advertisers and that type of thing but I don't like the Betrayal of Integrity to do those things.
When you think about the worst perpetrators of this is there anybody who sticks out in your mind of like, man, I really was a fan of that person or I really consumed a lot of their content and now not so much.
Yeah, it's hard for me because as somebody that consumes a lot of content and got a lot of good out of a lot of people. Yes, there.
Are people that it really, it really hurt, it really hurt to know all along. I was taking information from people that had no Integrity, but it doesn't mean I'm not grateful for what they gave me before because it was still valuable to me. So I won't really itemize those people and that's fine. Want to, I don't want to say their names, but but I do think about that every
day. But do you think that the kind of giving up of the principles or the lack of Integrity or having fun?
Categorize, it was that more so like because they, like, sold out like corporations. It was like, Advertiser based stuff. Or was it more like political pressure? Social pressure, like almost unpack. Why they did
it? Yeah, it's all those things. There's a lot of writing on the wall and I know that that people were willing to betray beliefs that they personally had in their own lives, like, dealing with, you know, communism in their country of origin. And then to come here and get behind that agenda when they know they recognize it more than anybody. So, how dare you
When I've listened to you, stand on stages and talk about what, and how amazing America is, and how there are no excuses to not go and be your best because of their own personal stories. Like, you did an extra offended more than people who never got it to begin with, you know?
So a lot of this, all centers around information. I think, when we think of information, we think of what we're being told that could be from corporations, from politicians from mainstream media, whatever.
Ever, if the news is fake, imagine history.
How bad is it? Like if we had to measure it? A hundred percent of the information we're told is fake fifty percent 10 percent zero, like just like how bad is the validity of the information receiving and like that as a proxy for like, how screwed up we are? When we listen,
well, I since I have been removing it out of my life completely, I don't know how to how to pick a number. But I mean, if we're, if it's a scale of
One to ten of how screwed, are we? I mean, we're at an 11. I think why? So it doesn't mean that there aren't still people who are willing to put Integrity first and course correct is they see fit. It's not that those people don't exist. In fact, I collect them on purpose because that's how much I believe. That's what can save
us. Do you think that it's an intentional like rewriting of History? Like, let's take. Let's just use the elephant in the room, right?
It was a pandemic that pandemic led to this economic crisis. We now 1214 months. Later already being told all kinds of crazy things that if you go back and look or 180 degrees different than what we're being told at the time. So literally the World Health Organization, don't wear masks now, wear masks now, you know, hey, in certain situations, whatever you can just go Point by Point by point. And it almost feels like we're getting, like, gas-lit to some degree as to what they were telling us that year ago. Well,
they've established
Tablished that they're willing to lie to us. I mean, I knew that I wrote dr. Fauci off when he decided for the sake of, having Mass available, to the people that need it. Like, why can't you treat us like adults? Obviously, we wanted medical community to have them and and but to, to say, okay, well, the crowds going to do this if we tell them that, so it's okay to lie to them like, no, it's not. Okay. You just credit yourself when you lie to us. I mean, we're adults who want? Who want everybody to live? Like, what, how could you do that to us? All you've done is
Discredit yourself as any kind of authority.
Yeah. What about on the economic side? It feels like that's
even worse. Yeah, well I'm for me I feel that they had certain types of changes, they wanted to see in the world and so there's a series of events that they set into motion so that they could achieve certain things that they wanted. So when you look at like agenda 2030, these bullet points of you can kind of see the policy now getting to those
end, what does it change?
That's what his agenda
2030. Oh man. I feel like we've I don't know that. It could be a whole
episode. All right. Well, how
do I even begin? Yeah. Well if you ever watch videos about like the world economic forum and in there, it's the it's the Communist Utopia that they dream about really. Yeah, there's TED talks about it all kinds
of and is agenda 2030 like a written document or is it just like,
oh yeah, no, it's what there. It's what they're trying to create.
In the
world. And what is the general?
Like I should have idea, I should have came with charts and
graphs. What is the general idea? And they basically are just trying to become more surveillance and yes and less powerful
people. So it looks to me like all the government's are just trying to cooperate with each other.
They're not going to go to war with each other anymore, is I think what they're doing, they're going to go to war with the people because that's how they can ensure that their power structures are never challenged again. And with things like the internet, all that we have really too much ability to threaten them because if we understood the truth, we wouldn't want any of those people leading us.
Do you know who Dave column is the name? Sound familiar? No, he's a professor at Cornell and he
Writes a end-of-year review every year and it's very, very long. It's you know, 20 30 40 pages and he's just got a different way of viewing the world.
In it. A number of times, he talks about collusion and he says that collusion has his negative connotation, right? If I say to you, that those people are colluding than most people will say, oh, you're a conspiracy
theory. Well, it got the word, got a bad rap because of course, with the three-year very expensive lie about a Russian collusion occlusion, just means coordination. Yes.
So then he takes a step further and he says a conspiracy
Theorist is a negative term because you are basically speculating on something but he said, but if people are conspiring and you call them out, a conspiracy theorist is not a negative connotation your simply calling out Factor calling out truth. They're conspiring to do something and it sounds like this agenda. 2030 is basically collusion or end or conspiring between countries in order to see something happen and
it hides in plain sight. It's not that it's not
Not that this is anything, that's not public information. That's what's so wild to me. But but when you see the end goals in mind you can work back backwards from all of everything that the UN policies and all these things. And why do you think it is that that we know there's actual concentration camps in China and we do nothing. I mean, who, how are we the good guys? Well, how is that possible? Criticize them at all, you know, for ethnic cleansing. All these things. Like I
Sudden, I don't believe anything that the left ever said, you know,
it's like to use that as an example undeniable fact that this is happening as far as I understand. There's nobody who has a theory or evidence that points to it, not being true. Yeah, yet we the United States is the police of the world do nothing about it.
Well and I'm kind of torn on what to do about that because I understand the libertarian concepts of not going and being
The world's police and you know, the entire military industrial complex behind that. And the fact that that's not always operated by great people that are well-meaning. So I'm torn somewhere between that. And the idea that if we're going to do anything, why wouldn't we go deal with
that? Well, we're going to drop bombs in Syria then we probably should go deal with this.
Yeah, it seems it could be something the rest of the entire world would get behind about maybe we want to go liberate. These people I mean,
There's an entire
and that's a should be a bipartisan typing. That's not a left or right type concept. That's just if we're going to take this stance in the world, regardless of where it happens, we should be willing to operate along those
principles. Yeah. It violates all, I mean, all of the principles that we have, I mean why would, why wouldn't we want to handle that? And if nothing else, I mean maybe we can't Strongarm the rest of the world into anything. We should give that Pursuit up but we could eat.
Comically consequent, those types of things but people don't want to do it. That's what makes me so sad about entrepreneurs that do these, these deals. It's like, anytime you do these things with China and like you your funding, the enemy, you're literally funding the enemy. Why can't, when I shop on Amazon? Can I not search criteria about? I want my plastic crap Made in India. So why can't I give them my money instead? I have to give it to China because all that's miraculously not a feature that's
supported.
What is the solution to like geopolitics? Right? And what I mean by that
is live on an island, make our own stuff.
Is it something that a government can solve, or is it something that actually, the people have to just say, look, the government cannot solve this, they don't want to solve this. They may even potentially be conspiring, including with each other. And therefore, I actually need to look out for myself, my family and just handle things. My, on my
own, the free market offers so many solutions. That's why the consolidation of Market options is so.
Awful for me
is there a free market
left? Well in theory I don't know what I don't know what the term would be to call it a heavily regulated, manipulated free
market. What do you mean by
that? I guess I just mean the options about incentivizing, the don't have to do with putting guns to people's heads because once now that we're a nuclearized world, I mean you can end the world at any point especially because everybody's got all their allies.
So what are we going to do except use the free market?
Well, I don't know. So I'm from I'm from the school of thought of there are no free markets left in the world except for Bitcoin, right? And the reason being every single other one is manipulated governed. You know, there's something there that prevents it from being a truly free market. You can argue whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's true. Bitcoin is the price can be manipulated at times. I'm sure right? People sell things by thinking.
Whatever just supply and demand. But from a pure, 24/7 365, no kind of external governance of it as a market structure, it is a free market. That's why it's so
perfect.
That's why the coin is. The hope that I needed
does that guarantee that it ascends to Global Reserve status
it for me. It doesn't matter because I'm going to get behind. What's right? Regardless of the likelihood? It has of success and if we could all do that we could all make the world a better place but people want to get behind they people are just obsessed with being historically accurate when well, but we're so powerful, we just have to choose the right thing and then we can
Outcome. But people just want to gamble on, what's going to be likely in go behind that camp and that's it's a terrible way to make decisions.
So basically it's the trade-off between Bitcoin as almost a religion, or a political set of beliefs or some sort of socio, kind of focused effort versus that as a financial asset and a potential profit Center.
Yeah, I mean I came to bitcoin as a way to cope with the depression of the reality of everything. I learned the
Last year so philosophically Bitcoin is just is just stunning and perfect, and there's obvious, I have no basis in finance. I've had to Crunch understand the general nature of what's going on. So I don't know how we get from point A to point B, but I believe in it and I am getting behind it.
What's your take on Elon Musk and Bitcoin?
Oh, oh, that's a tough one. I think the Bitcoin maximalist, sorry.
They have a brand established to be Defenders of Bitcoin, and they absolutely have a right to take the opinions. They take their, there's so much. There's so much organic nature to the way that successful people.
Strategize what they're doing that. It's hard to look at it on the surface and decipher everything that's going on. What do you mean? Who really knows? What Elon musk's vert, how he's going to get from point A to point B. The path that he takes more times than not, it works out.
Does it matter anymore? Like what elon's opinion about Bitcoin is or the actions he take do, they actually matter anymore?
Well, what I think of Elon Musk doesn't really matter but hit the value that.
You still offers? Yes. Is still there? I mean I to me intuitively. It looks like he was just trying to compensate for the fact that Dogecoin dropped real bad from the disclosure on SNL that it was a meme coin. I mean I thought people knew that you know but so I feel like he was just compensating for his other things that had contributed to you know the sending it a direction he didn't want it to go. He just wanted to recover.
Over some of that. Now, it's unfortunate at the cost of bitcoin. I mean, we really don't like that because we philosophically know the Bitcoin is the only answer. It's not a game to us but he's gaming it a little bit. So, but, but the I feel like he put in there.
He would put in his messages about, you know, this is suspended. We're not going to not do Bitcoin. I'm not selling my Bitcoin, we're not getting out of it. It's kind of, I don't listen to what he's too smart to know. It's not, like he doesn't get what Dogecoin is in the fact that it's just a copy of Bitcoin. Without any of the structural elements that make Bitcoin, something that can save the world. He's smart enough to know that. So those types answers are strange,
do you think he actually understands that?
Of course,
I don't know. Of course. Yeah, I would have said, of course to until Saturday.
Yeah, no, I think that he is. I think that it's possible that he doesn't understand the, The Fallout that it's happening. That's happening in us about our confidence in him because it looks like an attack. But I think he's just dropping the value so he can buy, more
is what I'm seeing. So, that would be the bowl case or like,
Positive outcome. Here is the price drop. They bought more, they come out. They tell people that they want more and everyone kind of forgives all of this and says, hey, they were trying to buy more.
Yeah, and I understand that people's people aren't that forgiving about him and attitude. I think he's I think that there were the threads in there. He put in there that he used the word suspended and instead of, you know, I'm a bit, I sold all my Bitcoin. I swapped it all out there, obviously the Dogecoin, like he, but he's also playing with his influence, he's measuring his
Fluence and I don't know if he plans on, you know, launching a coin of his own and he's just getting some bearing for his influence which is quite possible.
What do you think about the response from bitcoiners?
It should it be a negative response in like hey you're attacking us? Let's attack back. Should it be a? Let's take the high ground and we want to be your
friend. I've gone through a whole range of emotions about it and it depends on what I'm measuring at the time. I mean, my Twitter feed is, is a pretty schizophrenic about it just do too. But, but then I realize I panicked my intuitive perception of what he was doing was, well, I don't really know how to measure what he's doing because he's
He's doing, he's meddling in his own ways, and he's sliding, you know, game of chess, that type of thing. And I don't know, I I don't want to ride him off completely if he had said yes, I sold all my Bitcoin, all this and then LED people down some path about trashing Bitcoin. I think that, I think that he needed a viable, he needed to make it believable enough that people would buy Torres. So so he went with the hole.
How big is the old played out arguments about Bitcoin? He knows that we use renewable energy. He knows all the stuff. Like, how much more does a human being have to do in business over 50 years on this planet for you to have some default mode to realize they do understand what's happening. And all that stuff is just I don't know chessboard types of things, but I will say that it's extremely self-serving to sacrifice Bitcoin at least in the perception of people that don't understand it because all those, you know the
New money investors are going to go and put their stimulus checks and Doge and there's nothing behind it. It has no solution. Why wouldn't you just keep your trash Fiat to begin with? Like there's nothing there. It's just fun for people. They're just, they're just gaming it.
Speaking of stimulus. Checks are, we just addicted now to the monetary stimulus? Like can we ever stop
this? Yeah, well for me, all of this has to do with trying to usher in Universal basic income. Okay. Explain that. Well, I mean they had set the stage for it. I mean
Andrew Yang, making it a whole point of his of his campaign.
I mean can we can we just call it what it is, is that not socialism?
Oh yeah, definitely. Okay, don't lie but if back to 2030 you really got to see all that and you can you can see it
if it's socialism. Why are we not allowed to say that it's socialism?
Well no I mean the fraction faction of the democratic party, wrote it into their name. I mean, Democratic socialism is what Bernie Sanders is. So we are
Calling it that, okay, to deny that is not very
honest agreed. And is it fair to say that socialism
doesn't work? Of course how. I mean, how many more can also have it? Do you need? I mean, whether it's communism or socialism, is a only a minor distinction. But I mean, think about all the deaths and the 20th century alone. I mean, like a hundred million the body count.
So, one of the things that I always go to when I talk about this in terms of, like, socialism from the government to the actual like,
Jewel is everyone starts yelling and screaming and saying well you weren't screaming when they were handing out money to the Wall Street firms. And in fact I was right. Actually I was saying that that was just as bad and that was just socialism for rich people and so it feels like all the capitalists on Wall Street actually showed face of being socialist over the last 12 months. But so did every single person who is chairing this on and I just have this like this Vision in my head of like the historians writing the history books.
Oh, and they're like, and look at this, The Economist cheered them on while the Federal Reserve pushed millions of people into poverty.
Well, you can always find experts that will side with whatever side that you want to promote. I mean, that's why they, you can hire them think about court. I mean, it's all kinds of questionable expert. So getting Economist to agree with whichever side of the aisle, you're on is pretty easy.
How do they miss so badly on things like job, reports and
inflation? Well, they know, I mean, the back to you,
To assume I mean Janet Yellen. And you know chairman Powell and all those people they it's not like they have some void of understanding. I mean they're paying attention. They're just told they have a directive and so they are trying to make people not panic, they know exactly what it's going to do and they have to seem optimistic and they have to say these things because they need people to you know,
Believe this is a good thing in this Administration is going to do a, do a good job for them because that's who hired them. And the most its intellectual is more intellectual dishonesty, which is why they need taken
down. The most insane example of this was the job report in a thing as mayor April, where they thought there was going to be a million new jobs added in the economy and there's 225,000 or 250,000. Well if 75%
Miss if every yeah yeah they should. I mean in any other circumstance, they would be fired for their
incompetence.
That's a 25 on the test. Like that is a big fat f - well, I mean, I get invited back to
class. Yeah. Well they don't have to they don't they don't have to the Federal Reserve in meteorologist. They don't have to actually be accurate for them to sustain their positions. I mean,
is that the comparable is the Federal Reserve, Central Banker is comparable to
meteorologist. I haven't thought that out but neither of them have any consequences for being wrong in how many people get to say that and still keep
Keep their
jobs. Yeah. Is it something where the Federal Reserve in their predictions of economic performance, whether it's jobs, whether it's inflation, interest rate, kind of impact whatever we should adhere to the actual like accuracy of what they're saying. So if you say, hey, I think it's going to be four percent, then see their 4% or it's not or should we think of it, more directionally and just 4% is higher than where we are and so they're directionally correct. But the number doesn't actually
Dave entirely discredited themselves. I don't know why anybody would make any decisions based on anything they say,
there's there's press conferences, literally, they sit there and people Analyse every single word they say. Did they say the word dovish or not? What color is his tie like that? I've literally seen these reports that show if they were a certain color of their tie, or they say, a certain word or whatever. It's supposed to Signal, something to the market, which sounds fucking
insane. Yeah, it's crazy. I would never measure anything they say. I watch it for the, the, I guess.
Interesting insights, it'll give me as to how how much they're willing to lie to people but that's really only just a scale just because I'm
curious. What does that tell you? If they're willing to lie more than usual? Does that tell you that things are worse better.
Like when you take away from there they're just like the news media. They're just willing to support the cause because they know they know they know who feeds them.
Do you want to know the one Hill that I'm willing to die on around all this? Yes. The financial media is
Mouthpiece for the
state. Oh absolutely. There's no distinction. There's no that's State media for sure. That's why I turned it off.
So in August of 2020, I wrote this thing publicly and those that were red, pilled were like spot-on. Everyone else said, I stoop to low, I was going after people stuff and what I wrote was, there's three types of people who create content in the finance industry. There are the journalists who do actual journalism.
Mmm, I have a story. I go, I interview all of the people in the story I'm unbiased eye fact-check. I present. It's not my opinion. It's the facts of the story you as the reader can read it and you can determine what you believe from it there. That's one end of the
spectrum. That's the only side of the spectrum that I willing to
entertain, okay? There's a second, Other Extreme end of the Spectrum, which people usually don't think of as Finance media, but I think you'll agree with this one as well, which is what I call the people with skin in the game.
The players in the market. So a hedge fund manager writes a report and it says I believe X to be true and therefore we've staked ten million dollars on this outcome or it is a person who buys Bitcoin and says I think that Bitcoin is going to become more adopted because ABC whatever reason the way that you did kind of put a Distinction on these people is if they are wrong, there's Financial consequences, right? So journalists have no Financial exposure, no skin in the game, but they're doing unbiased.
Content. The players in the market, they're just making Financial bets. They have complete skin in the game and if they're right, they benefit, if they're wrong, they get hurt. Yeah, those two ends of the spectrum. I think people generally agree with okay, we understand who they are. We get it, but there is a group in the middle and I actually think these people in the middle are part of the problem. They're the biggest part of the problem, which is there, the bloggers masquerading as journalists, right? So, these are the people who don't do journalism, don't fact-check things they write.
Pain is if, as if it is fact and then they publish under the title of
journalists and then they get cited as a source that's credible and and this is how the lies disseminate and how they're just, oh, this person's on our site of the war and in a clouds, the truth. And it's really too bad. But you know, ever since we reward clicks truth is clouded,
the worst part is that these people are constantly wrong. And there are no repercussions, if you're a journalist doing journalism and you're wrong.
Wrong. That means it's inaccurate and therefore you are either fired or you have to retract it and correct it
before attractions get so buried. I mean, nobody
really agreed. But at least there's a path to correct. Any inaccuracy when you are a blogger masquerading as a journalist. First of all, the media companies are lying because they do not put the opinion pieces in the opinion section they put them as journalism. Yeah the second thing is that when you are wrong there's no retractions and there's no punishment for being
wrong. Although all of the news is editorializing
Opinion. So, and you get approved and put on CNN based upon not you or ability to relay the truth, but your ability to be on their side of the culture War. That's The credibility resume that they.
So here's the best part of this whole thing. There's two specific journalists that are putting air quotes, those journalists work at a very large Media company. I wrote this article with them in a number of their colleagues in mind.
They just launched under that media brand a block, a very well-known Financial media organization. Now has two of their people, one is editor and the other is a financial journalist. They said, we are launching our blog. We are going back to blogging and they are now going to go blood off this whole thing, but they still publish on the main site under the title of journalists. Mmm-hmm, and the pieces aren't labeled as opinion.
And therefore, when you look at that, you realize that that organization has lost all credibility because they are allowing non journalists to pretend to be journalists.
It's just another way to make a little extra money and and that's that's why the news is just something now. I give no credibility. Like how can it is?
Literally the corporate media. Yeah. And not only are they wrong? They
Actually get people hurt all the time and they're complete sellout, right? I mean, like, that's all it is. And it's frankly, it's disgusting,
right? I still listen to you because you're willing to say that. So, when you see a sellout, you should say that
I do and then everyone gets really
mad. It's okay,
trust me. I been saying it for a long time, I don't care. I think that the part that becomes a little bit further, down this path is when you then say these, same people, if you go look at what they're writing, they literally parrot.
The talking points of the state. They are a propaganda machine.
It's a net. It's a network that self
rewarding.
Do you know why? There are a propaganda machine. Why? Because the owner of the organization is a billionaire and that billionaire has financial interest. Yes. And that media arm is there to protect his financial interests. Yes. Yeah. And we don't call that out because they hide and say we're doing journalism. We have a, you know, a firewall between the financial interest and our, our media publication. But when you actually look at it, that's not true. And not only are they protecting his financial interest. There are also
Ten Ewing to Parrot, the talking points of the state, which desensitizes people to what the state is doing to what the central bank is doing. And when you get into this whole spiraling out of control, you realize, now we're sitting here and over the last 12 months, 14 months, everyone who is red pill? Who's in the Bitcoin Community has been yelling and screaming that inflation was coming. These same idiots were writing last year saying, inflation wasn't coming. Yeah. Now they're saying is
transit to influencers, right?
Yeah. Now it now, it's not going to be here forever.
Even to the point of some of them saying that when prices of consumer goods are going up or Commodities are going up. Has nothing to do with inflation.
Yeah. Because once you take the intellectually honest approach of knowing cause and effect, and going on camera and saying it, then people are like, well maybe we shouldn't print money, maybe it's not the greatest thing to do so then they get pushed back and they don't want that, they want to just squash any Narrative of any kind of decisive alternative opinion because the
Don't have to deal with it, what's the solution Bitcoin?
Why?
Well, decentralised Finance takes away the power. They have to to do all the puppeteering that they do all over the world and run all these things. And I urge everybody to unplug the television that really helps it really helps.
So is part of this that you can't fight head on kind of the bullshit. And so instead you have to use technology and build technology to basically take away kind of the wind out of
the sales and that's how you build a better world is. You don't go toe-to-toe with this stuff. You literally just said, we're going to build a new system completely insulated from all of this
nonsense. Well, you can only help yourself and you can join the people that are committed to truth. So Bitcoin is perfect for that. It says it's another self sorting mechanism. For me that's been good to find people who have other entrepreneurial Endeavors and sort of dive into that or find thought.
Person that are inside of Bitcoin. I never cared about anything about economics, but of course, I've picked economic economists to to read their books to understand Finance in a broader sense but bitcoiners because they are truth forward, people and that really matters to me. So it's been a really great self sorting mechanism for that.
Is there an element of whether it's the media traditional Financial players or just the average consumer?
They don't want to see Bitcoin be successful because it would violate their worldview.
Well, a lot of people don't understand that that going against or not supporting Bitcoin is just to stay with the power structure in place that are that are running the whole world. So if you don't understand that anything's broken about it, of course you don't see the value of Bitcoin.
You would just buy gold,
is that something that can be changed like if you just educate those people on what? Absolutely absolutely lose their mind.
Well, they have to see what's broken in the world and for me, I got red pilled the, which led me to the to the orange pill of of Bitcoins. So that's a path that I understand and I see it a lot and I like it because I understand it.
One of the things that I know you talked about is this idea of like relative wealth and even here in the United States, somebody who continues to get pushed into poverty, based on the United States standards is still some of the richest people in the world. Is that important or does that person not really care about the relative basis and they're just saying hey I can't afford food, gas
rent. We're just so blessed that we have no contrast to understanding. I mean, I went to India and seeing
Made Me Love America so much, you know, to just see how much the bulk of the people there. Don't have anything they need, and we've done a great job about resolving absolute poverty in the world. Nobody wants to talk about that because we have all this relative poverty in America. But we have we have solved so many problems. In the last decade, what's a good example. Just the fact that it, I can remember the
Actual numbers about it. But however, many people like live below like a dollar a day and that's come up to. Now, there's a such a great amount of people that that are at least at least they've come up to five dollars a day which is still, you can't live in America for that because of how everything costs. But to have resolved, the fact that a lot of people now have clean water, they can drink and these these kinds of things. So I like that. There's some projects in place where they're trying to get phones in the hands of people and Central America so that they can.
Beyond The Block Chain so that they can have Bitcoin and work in their communities to solve some quality of life problems that way. But there's, there's barriers to that working. Like, if they don't have affordable electricity, how can they even power a cell phone? I mean, we've got a lot of infrastructure barriers to break down but we can do it. That's what's so fun about bitcoiners is their entrepreneurial people that have can can have a bigger
Vision. Yeah, when you
think about Bitcoin in the Bitcoin Community isn't an ethos driven thing. Like these people come from all kinds of different walks of life, different education, different skill, sets jobs in different places in the world in many cases, speak different languages, different religions, different color of their skin. Like everything is so different, such a diverse group of people. But they come together and it's not about a financial asset, it's more about an ethos.
Yeah, I as a person that bought into Bitcoin for
Philosophical aspects of it. It's just beautiful and that's why I want to get behind their businesses. Even unrelated Endeavors,
how do we get your old friends to understand or to become educated or at least to be more sympathetic to this view of the world versus? Maybe the view of world that they
have? Well, they're just victims to Media propaganda and if we can't fix that, which is why I'm like, okay, unplug, the television would would really help for me. I remember I
Knew something was wrong with the media, that they weren't entirely honest with how they tried to smear Somebody Like, Jordan Pederson. I was like, this isn't normal because I my undergrads in Psych so I had gravitated towards his older content. Just him lecturing, you know, who can, who can afford that kind of tutoring. So I just started watching that and then but then all the the social aspects that developed around 2017, the politicization of what he was saying and just the characters.
Fascination on somebody. I knew that was a really good person. I knew something was wrong. So everybody's got to have those things where they find out that the media lied to them about this this or that and have personal consequences for having believed the media because then you'll feel that sense of betrayal and you know something's not right? So what we have to do is not forcibly tell people they're being lied to but we do need to point out some things. When they say something you know you could take
Take the leading logic to the end that they are going to self discover that they're being lied to. Well, you have to do it without, you know, it's hard because I haven't I haven't refined it to an art. That's that's persuasive yet. Yeah.
Is it just some of this is like a political or like a religion at aspect to it, no matter what facts? You tell them, they just won't change their
mind. Yeah, you know. Whoa, Chasm is a cult. It's a religion. We have a, we have a god-shaped hole.
In our heart. And if you take that out and you strip that out of the culture, people are going to put something in there. And they've, they've nominated being woke,
is this whole idea of woke ISM tearing apart the fabric of society like is it literally pulling people apart making it so divisive that everyone is distracted with each other rather than what the real problems
are? Yeah and that's how you of course power structures in place, turn the people on each other so that they will do their bidding and attack and kill and destroy their
Mission inside. I mean I feel like the reason the reason China is unplugged from the internet for the rest of the world is, so is so they can't tell us when all these things are happening because they've gone through it and, you know, they're never going to escape the CCP. I mean, it's like a hundred year reign now they have other political parties but that but, you know, those other political parties aren't allowed to come into power. It's just more like a stage situation where these smaller factions of people that they're never going to threaten.
The power system in a surveillance State, you can't
in the US, could there be a third political party that could actually viably put a president and into the administration?
Not unless more people unplug the television because it affects your perspective on absolutely everything so they have a dominance on, they have a lock on attention. So how could even a, how could even a Libertarian ever get? The the time of day on the network TV, that's controlled centrally. They don't want that. I mean, they won't even let Austrian Economist go on the show.
Those to talk about why the FED is wrong. They don't they just won't put them on
TV. Well, just be a violation of the World Views,
right? Well, they don't like because they hold the keys to the information in the population. Why would they equip any type of dissent against their opinion? They won't do it, which is why centralized control of the media is. It is just another example of its state-run media.
And do we need to then build decentralized aspects of the media and
Have that Austrian economic Economist or a political party candidate, or whoever build the relationship directly with the audience or do we need to try to go launch national television stations that you know, have a kind of a liking for that type of content
or well, I don't even know how we would do that because you have to then be allowed to be on TV. You know, you your network can literally be unplugged. Your app availability can just be pulled from an app store and there's only two out.
Door. So everything is so centralized in that way like what do we what do we do? I mean, it's hard for people to even be YouTube compliant and so they're willing to be censored in a way just to reach shoes. You know, out there that can be pulled from the mainstream and thank God they do because that's Outreach still. Yeah, it's
crazy. Just to think about how important control of the actual infrastructure is,
right? Well, and when you see it in anything, you can see it in everything. So it's all the same.
But you realize, how few of options there are for anything. I mean, go to a grocery store and it looks like you have all these choices, but, like, five Mega Brands owned absolutely everything in the grocery store. So you think you have all this choice but you really don't stand illusion and and politics are like that. Like think about Mitt Romney just kind of siding with the establishment machine especially lately so it makes me look at history differently to where I thought in 2008 Mitt Romney would have given us such a different America than
Then Obama. But really, when you look at how Mitt Romney is voting, now you see that that's still more illusion of choice. It's just packaging. That's
different. What changed do you think he changed? You think your perspective on him
change? No, my when you get when you get away from it when you can tune out the media telling you polluting your perspective on everything. You can realize that there's no there's no choice there. You would have rendered us relatively similar.
Comes, I'll never forget. There was a debate between him and Obama. They asked who is the greatest adversary and he said
Russia. Yeah. And everyone everyone thought that was so
funny and I think Obama may have even said this isn't
yeah it is. This set in 1970 called Cold War wants their policy back. Yeah, whatever he said. Right?
And now all of a sudden it looks like that actually may have been a pretty prescient, you know, kind of conversation or answer.
How much of the geopolitical stuff and the media stuff? And the financial stuff is centrally planned. Masterly planned by some Elite group versus just literally there's a bunch of stupidity that is pervasive across these organizations. And so they just constantly do dumb, easy, things that optimize for short-term decision making
well for me all of it, looks controlled.
It all looks like controlled opposition and you know
who's in control.
Yeah, the fed
this Jerome Powell. And there's a, there's a
lot of Bankers in. They're interconnected circle of of people in place. So, it is just everybody coordinating. Because they know if they can coordinate, then they can't, they can't be taken down, which means. Okay. Well, then you have to choose to not go to war with these people that are helping you out. And so,
And it's very cooperative and that's why they're going to turn those guns on the people, in specially, in a surveillance State. You can, you can contain all the opposition in a way where you can make sure that nobody's gonna in for your spot of power and your spot of influence. And all you have to do is play nice with the other powers that be
are you long term bullish or bearish and United
States? Well,
It's hard for me because I love my country. I just see the writing on the wall, so that's why I don't identify as an optimist anymore. We've gotten so far away from our founding principles everybody's for sale. It's depressing. This is still the best country in the world and I am so blessed to have been born here and there's nowhere. I would like to go. So it's hard for me when with the bitcoiners and their Bohemian attitude about floating around the world, all the stuff that's that's all nice and stuff. But what about what about
I mean, then you see how aggressive is happening in Canada? All these things like there's nowhere to go. So we can't unplug and and bitcoiners oh, oh, give me that sometimes I like, why do you have to politicize everything? Well, this was my path to how I got here to know that Bitcoin was a solution for me. So my perspective is going to be politically charged in that way, because it's a solution for me. But if anybody can do it, it's America.
But I'm concerned if they succeed in disarming us, it's over.
It feels like if we stay true to the American ethos and the American ideals, can we get back to it? We would be in great shape.
If we give those up and follow the path of where a lot of leadership wants us to go, we're
screwed. Well, everything's politicized, I mean that the doj is compromised, I mean, what can you pick anything that's not. I mean we were not getting Fair trials here on biased media coverage. There's nothing is untainted. So either we have a constitution that protects individual rights are we don't and all these discussions. Like I immediately just
When when people, when people want to pull the plug on respecting, the Constitution, like it's a hard stop for me. I mean, I can't listen to you after that, because that's a slippery slope. Like that's the protection that we love that. Grants us all the other rights that
we have. Those Choice changed or has it always been this way. Now, the internet has just exposed
It's emboldened. A lot of people to say that there is no ethical basis to the Constitution. I mean that was a surprise to me that that many people have been willing to be like oh you know America's nice and all but it was founded on immoral principles of immoral men and and we've remedied a lot over time through our constitutional amendments. So how can can you say
that we haven't dealt with those things. The mistakes of our history, we've righted them through amendments. So people want to trivialize the document but that's the reason that we have any protections at all and so it's really concerning to me that it seems like it could be a negotiated
detail.
Before I Let You Go, I have one last topic going to talk about Bill Gates. Melinda Gates. Seems to just every second like, there's something new that comes out here. What's your take on this whole thing?
Well, people at that income bracket, certainly manage their marriages well, so I'm inclined to believe that people, like Bill Gates have been living their lives, doing whatever they wanted to
Lee, you know freely anyway. So I think that it might be something people are forgiving about Infidel. The public is they'll see that and they'll forgive if you know but it's also I feel like a distraction from the other things that he knew. There was too much attention about his other positions, about things like vaccines and buying a ball of farmland and all this. So anytime they throw something out there.
In the media. And they want to make the conversation about somebody, like Bill Gates about infidelity in their marriage or or drug addiction, or something that the public is just like, oh, I relate to that, that happened to my parents, or, you know, something like this. And so, so then all of a sudden, then you have all these like little Defenders that are out there being like Bill Gates is a great man who has done so much philosophically for our you know all the stuff about he knows levels of altruism or something but it's all really just
Bringing the charge down in us about what we're really should be bothered by. Which is what are his plans for the world because they're not, they're not good by my estimation, why? I
I want to choose my words carefully. I just don't trust him. All the like, oh, you talking about who runs the world. I just feel like somebody who had accumulated, all this money from creating a technology where he created the computer and then he created the virus and then he sold us. The, the antivirus like that's a template for what he's doing with this, which is why I feel like the pandemic was
Was controlled on purpose for vaccine industry and to bring about all the loss of personal freedoms that we have to get on the other side of that. For them to be able to dictate every aspect of our life, which is what they want to do.
Do you think they're smart enough to coordinate all this?
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that it's, it's remarkably unfair to the successes of somebody like Bill Gates to minimize his
Legends. Now, I just believe that he's built up The credibility over time. Like what, what would I need to see to believe that he has that level of influence. I forget who tweeted? It's not an accident successful people don't get there by accident. It's not,
yeah, I forget who tweeted it. But somebody said Bill Gates is the greatest rehab of a personal like perspective of somebody or it like his personal image or his Public Image has been rehabilitated and it's been a major focus and
Probably done it better than
anyone in the world where he can financially incentivize anything. We what element of reach is out of his kit, like, nothing that's who runs the world as people that are have that much influence and power and resources that it's unlimited potential, they can recover anything. The
best argument that I've heard about all the philanthropy is
Are you really giving money away if you keep getting richer and richer right now? The counter-argument to that, right? And it actually probably one that I'm sympathetic to is. Well, you would have been way richer if you hadn't
given away anything also forming alliances and allegiances. And how could you ever do that better than funding people in their own? The things that they care about because then those people are all beholden to you.
She true and all he does is deep in the powers that he actually has in. Some people are just truly, they're truly just communist. It hard. I mean, that's not to be minimized.
Do you feel like you're free, or do you feel like you're beholding to an idea? A group, a
person me? Yeah. Oh, well, the greatest thing about having been a starving artist, all my life is that I'm free. I mean,
Obviously there's things in place that I hadn't ever really noticed about, but I don't form personally, lucrative alliances that now have dictated my, you
know, Gates isn't showing money to your.
Yeah, no, I mean, I, you know, drive a Ford Mustang and, and live in a house with other people, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't have anything that I'm protecting, or trying to grow other than
Obviously keep more money in the checking account than I spend type thing. Like, I don't have big designer Visions on, you know, these empire levels of self gain and I couldn't live with myself. If I
Got what I wanted.
That way, but a lot of people are and that's why I walk away from them very fast.
There's a guy who came on the podcast name's Mackenzie from Canada, he lays like wood flooring and tile. He's just what you would call an average Joe. That's he blew a DM me on Twitter. He goes, hey, if you ever want like an average Joe kind of citizen to come on the podcast and talk about Bitcoin. I'd love to do it. Been pitched us, 30 40 times. I don't know why I picked this one, but I can't him and say, hey, let's do it. He gets on the podcast and he's
I think it's two young children and a wife. He's so nervous and excited about doing the podcast. That literally, he has his wife, take his children. I think their dog like out of the house so that he can do the podcast. Yeah, thing, right. And we go through the whole podcast and he says, a bunch of really smart stuff. But nothing that was like out of the ordinary and towards the end he hits me with you guys. Look, all I want is a better life for me and my family. I don't want to take over the world and I
I think of that one. Yes, sentence all the time because I actually think that's majority of
people. Well, that's what's so hard about now, when you can sort of see through politics more than I could 15 months ago, it's really hard to support any of them because anybody, that deserves power wouldn't seek it. So that's why things that are decentralized are so beautiful to me now, because it's a uncorruptible formats are rare because people in power
Always deep in their power and that's what they built. So, I'm interested in helping people build things that don't centralized power in every aspect.
Where can we send people to find you on the internet?
Jessica Von all the social networking sites, you can find me there.
Where do you put the most content on
Twitter? Definitely a Twitter addict. So yeah, Twitter handle Jessica
Vaughn. All right. Thank you so much for doing this where you forget do again in the future? I feel like you are the one person I know in the world who got red, pilled the hardest. Over the last 12 14 points, and it's cool to watch. But that also think you're willing to just talk about
it. Yeah.
It's because I have a deep sense of betrayal and so if you can just activate that in people some kind of way than then recovered Liberals are going to be better. Red pill, disseminators of that perspective because we are operating with having been insulted by what we were fed for so long. So, I'm just trying to correct all the things that I did like voting for democrats for a number of years. Anytime, I think I'm super smart.
Mart. I remember that. It took shutting the world down and waving their hand before I realized what was up in that wasn't very smart but I'm trying to correct all of that contribution to the world. I
think you're doing a great job. So just keep going.
Thanks for having me.
