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Vice versa as it should be a lot has happened. Why are you in the United States? Let's start there. First. You're coming for multiple months. I
think. Yeah. I'm going to be here up until the end of October. So there's a without a Visa coming over. There's something called an esta which is a British citizen you can get and it gives you a three months in the u.s. Up to three months in the u.s. So I actually got booked to do a couple big speaking events. So I got booked by the young America's Foundation, which is a big student conservative organization here in
U.s. They booked me to do a speech at their 43rd, annual student conference in Houston. So I did that. And then I also got book by Young Americans for Liberty, which is a big student libertarian organization. So I spoke there, I did a keynote speech in Orlando, about a week ago now, and then after that, I've just been booked to do a whole ton of podcasts. I haven't been to the states. I was supposed to come here, three times last year. Everything got canceled because of all the Rona restrictions and yeah, I've just been
For a lot of stuff, I'll be on Joe Rogan on Tuesday was on fresh and fit here in Miami a couple days ago and it's going to be doing some, I'm going all over, I'm going to like ten different
states. I feel like everyone wants you to come on their podcast because you're one of the last reasonable voices and you're willing to tell the truth. So let's just start right there. It feels like there's an entire contingent of the world whether it's individuals organizations, government politicians, just everybody that gets put in this bucket.
They essentially still try, what I call Old World tactics. So they try to mislead. They try to obscure facts. They don't own mistakes, like, everything that you would expect in the old world. They still do, but there is a new contingent kind of the new world, you know, population, if you will. That just says, look, I have opinions. I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes, I'll tell you when I'm right, and I'm wrong, I'll take my victory laps, but also own my mistakes. And
I'm not scared to share my opinion. I don't necessarily just need to pretend to be unbiased because nobody is unbiased and it feels like you are one of a couple of people who are kind of leading that charge, especially on Twitter and other places. So how do you think about like the tactics that you use for like a new world perspective rather than this old world
tactics. It's an interesting question, man. I think human beings always value authenticity while they should. There's a contingency of people who actually quite like being lied to because
Comforting lies, make people feel good emotionally, but I think when someone is willing to cut through that and do everything you just said and be real and be honest and not lie, right? Like when you're talking about mainstream media politicians, Etc. It's just lies upon lies upon lies. And once you start lying, you have to continue to lie to keep your house of cards together, right? If you're just honest and you're truthful and your authentic, even if you're wrong,
sometimes it's better to be honest and to be wrong than to intentionally lie, right? People trust me because I don't lie. People like you because you don't lie. People like guys like Joe Rogan etcetera, because they don't lie. It doesn't mean you're always correct. That's a different thing. And like you said, if you're wrong, you can own your mistakes and say, okay. This is my opinion. This is what's fact. This is what's opinion, etcetera? Be clear on all that. And I think there are billions of people out there, who, of course, who are online are on social media or whatever.
YouTube listening to podcasts, they themselves don't have the platform to have their voice in their opinions, heard by thousands or millions of people. So for those of the people for, so for those of us who do and are willing to put something on the line and to be authentic, and to be truthful, I think people gravitate to not just because it's real but also because it's it represents them. So, I only speak for myself. I can only speak for zubir. I can't speak on behalf of the whole Community or the whole world you speak for yourself, but in doing so,
So you inadvertently actually also speak for millions of people. So even though it's your own unique voice. There's millions of people out there who are like, man, like, he's saying, he's saying what I'm thinking, and he's articulating it in a way that maybe I'm not able to, or I don't have a platform to do it. So I think that's why people like
it. I know a number of the people that you're mentioning here and I think we could have come up with example, after example, of other folks, who follow similar kind of path. What do you think gives those people, the freedom, or the confidence to tell the truth to own mistakes?
Public versus kind of the old world tactics, is it a individual like confidence, you know? And kind of just the belief that like, I don't care what people think. Is it a freedom? Like I can't get fired from my job type thing. Like what drives
that I think it's a few things. I don't think it starts from the freedom angle because there are plenty of people who have Fu money who are not authentic and are not truthful and are willing to lie manipulate.
Apple so on and so forth, right? This goes for a whole class of political and media Elites. Shall we say, even so I think it comes more from personality character and principles. I think that's what it is. I mean you can have somebody who starts out bro, you know, I mean every most people don't start out with tons and tons of money, right? And so you don't start out with that freedom. I mean, I get people now who are like, oh, you know, you can do what you do and whatever because your you've got this big platform and your independent, whatever side
Like the first year, so I used to 28 2008. 2011. I worked in the corporate world. Okay. That was a Management Consultant, 2019. No, not even 2019 2020. Last year was the first year that I made more. As I went to become full-time independent self employed in November 2011. Okay.
So 2008,
basically the 2008 to 2011. I'm working in corporate world, doing my music stuff on the side 2011. I'm like, okay.
I am leaving this. I'm going to go become a full-time musician. See what I can do with my music 2020 was the first year that I made more money, doing what I do now than I used to make in my old job, nine years, nine years, right? And throughout this whole period, I'm having people, I laws of these in music for the money was like, bro. I was making more money in the corporate world and I was on a much clearer trajectory, whatever. So when people are now saying, oh, you're doing this because like, you know, you can't get cancelled here. I'm like, bro, like I it took me ten years.
Literally 10 years plus to get to that love, this didn't happen by accident. It was conscious choice, you know, and I think people I think we have an epidemic of cowardice, right? There's a pandemic of cowardice going on in the world. Forget. Any other pandemic. Cowardice is the major pandemic going on and also all
levels. What do you mean by that?
I mean people are afraid to wear supposed to have free speech in this country, right? We're supposed to wear supposed to have free speech in the Western World. People are terrified to even why are people Anonymous on Twitter?
Why what's the main reason people are Anonymous on Twitter?
They don't want to link their name to what they're
saying. They don't want to be accountable for what they're saying. They're afraid, right? Everything's based on fear, why people running around with masks on outside. They're afraid,
they're afraid of The Virtue. Signaling of you see me without one in there.
If there were more afraid of the social stigma and social ostracize ation that you're not wearing a mask outside because you're afraid of a virus that doesn't even make sense. Right? So everyone is just living.
In fear all the time. Like I get DMS everyday emails, and it's fear. It's fear, fear, fear. I'm afraid to say, I voted for Trump. I'm afraid to say I voted for brexit. I'm afraid to not wear eye mask. I'm afraid to people are now willing to inject something into their body that they don't want, because they're afraid of what will happen. If they don't, that's insane. Now, if you want to take a medicine, you want to take a great that's fine. But the you shouldn't be doing it because of fear or bullying or coerce. I literally had a guy DME saying it. His girlfriend said she
she won't she won't sleep with him unless he gets the vaccine. I'm like bro, like come on man. The grow some balls dude, and he went with it. You know, I'm just like dude, like what's this worldly? Fear
driven by the lack of social acceptance. So let's say forget like the the virus and all that person. It's like a whole nother Pandora's Box open just now,
but in data get that demonetized about
know your five. We're going to talk about it, going to talk about it. Let's say that a
For Trump is a great example, right? Somehow it appears that the American flag became politicized in that. If you had an American flag, that means that you voted for Trump. He voted for Trump a racist, right? That is one talktrac. It's not the only talk track. There are some people who agree with that same way. There are some people who disagree with it all up for debate. But with that said, there are people who voted for a candidate and they do not want anyone to know that they did on the other side. There are people who
might not have even voted but they want everyone to know that they support a certain type of candidate. And so is that a new phenomenon like has there always been fear of the crowd? Or is this something that now is being exasperated by social media and kind of mob mentality? And very what I would call like the ultimate cyber bullying which is if you say something that is not within the mainstream talking points that you are attacked from all sides. Yeah.
I don't think it's anything new. There's nothing new Under the Sun. Human beings are the
Him as we've been for thousands of years. We just have more stuff. The technology has evolved an improved where the same human beings is something. I often Hammer home and which I think it's important for people to realize we're not, you know, there's something CS Lewis called chronological snobbery, which is this assumption that people in any era. Think that they're so much better and smarter and wiser and more evolved than their ancestors. Which in some ways, to some extent, there's some truth to it because obviously, we build up
Up off the knowledge and lessons from the past or if you're intelligent than you do, but fundamentally were the same people. We have the same emotions. Same desires, same cognitive strengths and weaknesses, same susceptibility to groupthink, or whatever it is. And so, I don't think any of that stuff has changed. And there has always been social stigma and social shaming, and the fear of that, which is, by the way, is not inherently a bad thing, right? There's many cases, where something
Our shameful, right? It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be socially. Accepted to do absolutely anything and everything that your you desire, but it can go to a dangerous level. I'd say something similar with human beings are tribal, right? Tribalism is innate in human beings and that's something that's neutral. It's not positive or negative. It can manifest in fantastic positive ways. Friendship Community Family, right? Like tribal nationality, feeling Prime. Hey, I'm proud to be British. I'm
American, like that's positive, but if it becomes this
Okay, like either you're with us or against us thing or okay, it's US versus them. Do this whole / division thing. It could be along racial lines, gender lines, ethnicity, nationality, religion politics, whatever. It is, when it gets to an extreme level. It can literally lead to genocide lead to the worst thing, which is pretty much the worst thing possible that human beings can do. So, with all of this. It's just about it's about moderation and making these natural feelings that we have. I think work in the
Way. And I think there's been, if I could sum up the last decade. I think it's been an overcorrection, right? I think the pendulum a pendulum has, swung way too hard in One Direction where the Overton window has really, really shrunk down to people, feeling afraid to literally voice. We're not talking to some extreme views or radical stuff. Just, I mean, look, how many people voted for Trump in the last election. 70-something million a big number. Yeah, tens of million Katie. It's not it. So it's not. So regardless of someone's feelings about like no one's afraid to say,
A I voted for biting, right? So why should someone be afraid? There's no one was afraid to say I voted for Hillary. So why should someone be afraid to say? I voted for for Trump? Right. Weather again? Whether someone agrees disagrees, whatever, but this notion I can't, no, I can't say that. Like, I might lose my job. I'm like, what you live in America. Are you going to lose your job for saying, you voted for the president? What for the existing precedent? Yeah, right. A lot of you clearly did. He's not one is not a dictatorship. So, you know,
Not alone here. And that level of fear to me is just crazy and it goes into all sorts of things. People are afraid to get cancelled. But I think collectively individually. Everyone just needs to be like, 10% more, at least 10% more forthcoming and bold. And that's, I
think we talked about this before. So I'm cheating here a little bit in that.
Everyone who watches this knows. I'm not really into politics. I don't like politics good.
Yeah, I don't identify the political party. Like, like, I'm a very kind of
like unique view, which I actually think is becoming more popular with people are just like, okay, all of you are the same, right? All of you are lying to us misleading us. Like doing all this stuff. I don't think that's
true. Okay, go ahead. I don't I'm not sure what I do and I know what you think. So go ahead. No, it's not true. And there's never been an clearer time to show that. That's not true because you can look state to
Right. Now, what we're doing right now is illegal in some states.
Yeah. So this is gonna be my point. Is that the politicians for the most part? Have used the old world tactics forever? Trump, I think was the first person who got up there and just look people, dead Square, the eye in the camera and basins, like I'm lying. What did it from like such a capitalistic and clear way that the people who were still under the guys or the charade of like the politicians, don't
lie. Yeah.
We're oh
my God. This is ridiculous. He's lying whatever. It's like this is just clearly stating what they've been doing the entire time. It's just doing it out in the open. Yeah, right. And I think that the number one stat, when I look at this is the state by state migration where California literally lost. So many employees that they're losing, the severity of their say in the governance process, right? They're losing seats. They're doing this stuff, New York as well. There's data that shows people.
Leaving California, New York and then moving to Texas and Florida. And at the same time that there is, this migration people are voting, not with their words, not going to a Ballot Box down the street. They're literally picking up their lives and moving them in their family and friends to another state at the same time. The narrative seems to be saying something completely different, right? And so it's how do you balance those two things? Like the actions, don't seem to match the words on
sure. That's a, that's a great question. And I think it's that people's actions.
I'll tell you more about what they believe than what they say, right? Actions speak louder than worlds within words. So someone can be talking out the side of their mouth saying, I don't know, defund the police. Alright, defund the police. Let's abolish the police. Let's raise the taxes. Let's do this, whatever. And then in their actions, they have private security and they are doing everything they can to minimize their tax burden. Maybe they're even offshoring some money, Etc. So that person's a capitalist and that
And believes in armed protection right there saying. Oh, yeah, F border border walls, don't work. You live in a gated community. You've got a border. You've got armed guards. You don't you believe in this it but it's rules for thee and not for me, right? Look it again. I just think this past year has been so interesting, are the governors and the Mayors and the political class people who media etcetera. They don't believe in their own rules. They don't believe how many, how many people had Obama's birthday last week. All right, they don't believe their own rules. You've had all throughout this thing.
Where they've been locking people down. Shutting down businesses restaurants, whatever. They've been going around maskless. They've been having parties. They've been going to rest. It's like they don't believe what they're saying like I'm watching the action. So you're saying all this stuff right over. There's this deadly things, weeping around like everybody should be scared, whatever. And then I'm watching you and I'm like, you're not afraid like you're not afraid of this. You're trying to set these certain rules and boundaries for others and then your flagrantly ignoring them. And so that says a lot, it's the same as a mean. Hypocrisies not
You hypocrisies not knew. It would be the same as I don't know anyone. It would be the, I don't know. I don't know. Like there are just so many examples of this, but I think if you watch what people watch, what people actually do, and how they carry themselves and interact with people etcetera, then he okay. Here's here's another. Another example is, when you got someone who's I've been on Twitter and obviously people know like I'm more rightly truth-teller. Yeah. I'm a tree.
With. Yeah, and I'm you know, obviously I'm a black guy, right? I've had someone, you know, I've had people where, I don't know that get in some, they take issue with something. I say or whatever. I go on their profile. They have hashtag BLM. Hashtag be kind. Hashtag anti-racist, etc, etc.
They call me like the n-word or something. All right, and I'm like, oh, okay. So you have anti-racist in your bio. But because you disagree with me politically, you're cool with calling a black person in n-word. Interesting. That tells me what I need to know. Like I am not watching the hashtags in your bio, right? If you put hashtag if you put, I'm a, you know, loving husband and God-fearing Christian in your bio and then you're sliding into girls DMS, who aren't your wife? And you're like trying.
And your actions are belie. Are betraying what you're claiming to be? And that's in, that's an in congruence and people recognize that I think when people see that, that's when people really lose
trust. I have this Theory and I haven't fully flushed it out and I feel like you could help me where religion has been on an absolute downward trend for years. If not decades, specifically the United States, but I think globally as well. But definitely United States and this is measured in a couple different ways from religious participation.
Shinto, those that identify with a certain religion Etc. But that is a narrow definition of are you Christian? Are you Muslim? Are you Jew, right, you know, whatever. And to me they're just being replaced by other religions, right? So I'll give you to kind of extreme examples Berkshire, Hathaway. People have heard me talk about this before. It's a company but this got a lot of religious elements to it. Warren Buffett is Jesus. He has
Sciples. He sends down the good word off the Mountaintop people go on Mecca. Every year to Omaha, Nebraska to his annual meeting, right? There's a way of thinking, a morality that is assigned to it. All the stuff mind you, he was married and had a woman move in with them. And you know, there's some questionable things that he's personally done, but there is a religious aspect to a people adhere to that belief system that kind of way of living and there's some very unique
Elements of the pilgrimage to Mecca. Like all this, if you go on the other side, all the social justice issues that came up, it almost felt like there was a bifurcation of the audience. There were some people who were legitimately concerned really wanted to make a difference and we're acting in. Good faith. Yes, and then there was a bunch of people who kind of felt like, hey I either need to do this for social signal signaling purposes, or I want to feel belonging to something.
And therefore, I will participate. And so again, these are two of the most Polar Opposites that I can think of on the Spectrum. There's a whole bunch of examples of between Huns but it just feels like humans innately need belonging to a group or to a religion or to something. There's like a psychological desire. And so whether you find that in a investment, whether you find that in a social issue, whether you find that in a specific way of thinking or literally your
Club, right? Like there's just this like need for it. And if the traditional definition of a religion is declining and people identifying with it. There's replacing it with other
stuff. Oh, yeah. It's nothing new. I mean, it's not by accident that the in the 20th century all of the crazy regime's that rose up. Whether you're talking Nazism, communism maoism, Etc. They were all very anti religion because they didn't want the competition. If you have a nation full of strong Christians or strong Muslims or strong people of any religious faith.
It's very, very hard to plant the seeds to worship the state and to worship a dictator, Etc. You'll actually find that people who are traditionally religious do, not are less likely to get religious about lots of these other things. The same thing. I mean, one of the most obvious ones is politics, right? You've got people who will shun their own family members, or shunned their own friends because they voted differently.
Right. So you're literally saying that the Democratic party or the Republican party or the conservative party Labour party is more important than my own family. Right? My brother, my brother voted for X. I don't talk to my brother and I'm like, wow, so you think that's more important than your relationship to your own brother. Like that's crazy to me. You've now got the same thing happening. I've been calling, I said, I put out a tweet which went viral saying covid-19 is the world's fastest growing religion, right? Where you have these adherence, you have acolytes for a freaking virus.
Who will, if you are not a hundred percent on board with all the measures and the masking and the rituals. Then you are a heathen, right? Your Lou you're literally on clean, you know, vaccine was a response nation is
baptism. What was the response to that? We probably a lot of people are really excited about that
one. I tend to get, I tend to get strong responses on both sides of all this, but but it's true, you know, because like if you think about it, we're on a
Like human beings desire. Certain things, right? You you already said community, of course, right? But purpose like why are we here? Like, what's the point? Maybe that's more meaning, like why are we here? What's the point? And we've got philosophy, you've got religion. You have various things that try to answer these questions and we've had this for thousands of years then also morality. What is right and wrong. What are the guiding principles of how I should live my life? Like, what's right, what's wrong etcetera? And
And also purpose like okay. What what am I striving for? What's optimal? How should I Orient myself? So,
Any any major religion answers these questions, right? So whether this this isn't a whether or not someone listening to this is religious or not. That doesn't matter but religion answers these questions. It lays it out. It's like, okay. Look, here's literally a book and this is how you should do have live your life. This is the purpose. This is the meaning this is your community, so on and so forth. And in the absence of that people, still people still seek it because we are so whether you whether you believe that human beings are
All door created by by a God or some combination of the two, then we still have biological wiring. Right? Just we have a biological wiring to for sexual attraction and for social interaction and for you know, wanting food and water like all these things. So that that's a natural craving and as people get older you're still gonna you're still going to want to seek that from somewhere. So some people find that in politics, right? You get people who are religious adherence to politics.
Like we could be super conservatives, super live like super Anarchist, whatever and you have that gives you a community. Gives you some sense of purpose and meaning certainly gives you a sense of Morality In terms of what is right and wrong, Etc. So I think that it's just innate in humans. I think there's like a very small percentage of people who can truly be sort of atheistic on all levels. Shall we say like truly, truly atheistic and secular, but the dude, oh, man, we've even talked about and in the
Last year and a half the science, right? The science has evolved into a secular religion and it has nothing to do with science itself. Of course, right. Trust the experts, follow the science. Nobody's ever wrong anymore. If somebody's wrong, they say the science changed, right? So, let's Buzz viable, we talked about this yesterday.
The people who are changing their mind, which I think most intelligent folks would say, I don't care that people change. My actually, it's a good sign that you want to change your mind. Right it. We should celebrate the fact. He willing to change her mind. Yeah.
But it is okay to say you're wrong, goes back to why the authenticity works on the internet, right? If you're wrong, you say, hey, I thought X, I was wrong. Okay. Now I believe why, and guess what nobody prosecute you for it because they're like, oh, wow. He said he was wrong. Okay? Like but he took the air out of our attack our critique, but it feels like if you are in a position of power or influence in the Legacy system and you use old world tactics in order to engage saying you were wrong is not allowed. It's out of bounds.
You cannot as a politician come up and say we were wrong or if you look at like a kind of the Mask situation in March of 2020, in february/march that we were told. They don't work. They don't get that specific cetera. And I think most people said, well, that's a little weird. I'm not a scientist, so I don't know exactly kind of what's going on. But like, that would be a weird statement to be told. Now, we're told something different.
It feels like people would have way more trust if they just came out and they said, hey, we were wrong. Not the science
changed. Yeah, just we were
wrong and it feels like that accountability. Like there's like, there's a thirst for accountability in a way that the people of power and influence don't feel like they can actually adhere to because they feel like it shows them to be weak. Yep, but I think you and I understand that no in today's day and age.
You actually get power from having the accountability admitting you were wrong and kind of being authentic.
Yeah, I I agree. And, you know, on that particular point, it's like, well wait, when were they wrong? When were they correct? Right? I think they were correct the first time, right? I think when they were telling people masks don't work. Like if you're not sick, there's literally no reason to be wearing a mask etcetera. I think that was the truth and all the real-world evidence also suggests that. That's the truth. We're 18 months into this. There's no evidence real.
Victor mask mandates, have helped to save anybody's life, and it doesn't logically make sense, wearing a mask. Unless you actually have got the virus to begin with and even then it would have to be a particular type of mask. So but you know, like people people can have different opinions on that. But coming back to the wider point. It's it's true. And this is why people lose Faith. Like why do millions of people not trust the media? Why do millions of people not trust politicians Etc? It's because you've
It's on lying. And if you if you, if you lie, then it sort of, you know, someone who's a murderer, doesn't kill someone every single day. Right? Like, they could go you'll five years without killing someone and then they kill one person. And that person is now a murder, right? So if you lie, then it only takes like one or a couple of Lies, let alone dozens and dozens, or hundreds and hundreds for people to go. Mmm. Okay. Well, I now need to, I can't just trust.
So what this person is saying especially because they won't and again there's a difference between being wrong and lying lying is, you know, the truth and you choose to say something that, you know, is false being wrong. Is you're saying, what you believe is true and then it turns out factually. Oh, okay, like that wasn't actually. That was actually
correct. There was a situation recently. We're in the infrastructure bill, which got probably way too much attention in terms of, I think they thought they were just going to get it pushed through. And then all of a sudden start
In out because there was a component of it around Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and tax. And some definitions were up for debate and there's an 87 year old politician who has already said after this session, they were going to retire and when the bill was put forward, there's basically a political process in order to vote on. Should we make amendments to specific parts and the
The way that this political process began to unfold which I'm not an expert on, but my understanding, is it got to the point where the only way that an amendment could get past is if 100% of the politicians agreed on it. So you need full agreement and most people think democracy is 51% but through this very kind of unique process. You need a hundred percent. And so the 87 year old politician voted no on changes to this crypto Amendment.
That had bipartisan support had had, you know, weeks of debate and, you know, hundreds if not thousands of people calling politicians and like, all this, like really big effort behind it. And the finally all came together and said, we all agree. And this is where we're going to put four. Yeah, and when it came up to the vote, the 87 year old voted. No. And when asked why other people said, oh, it was insane. It was a in spite because he had an amendment where he wanted fifty billion dollars more for
It's spending. Okay, that did not get approved. So he basically said, if I don't get my Amendment, no one here is gonna get him an amendment. Of course. There's massive blow back online. He's 87. I don't think he's on Twitter. But, you know, he, there's a Twitter account that that somebody is running for him. And he also has basically said somebody on his staff. He believes they should be the next person to fill his seat. And so he's kind of back them that person really came out said, hey, I think that we should have passed this, you know, they kind of doing damage control and then he
And she comes out and says or have no problem with the amendment, but I actually think it was a good amendment. I just voted. No, because I didn't get my defense Bill and so it was like so cut and dry. So black and white. Somebody was Voting against something. They thought was a good
idea for other
purposes. And I think when people saw that they disappear, it's all I need to know about politics. It happens all the time. Right? Right. Is I actually think it's a
good idea, but I'm voting. No, it happens all the time. It's not rare. I mean, I'm not even
From the US but oftentimes Republicans will propose something and it'll get full support from their side and Democrats will oppose it simply because it was proposed by the Republicans and vice versa. The Democrats come up with something which bipartisan is like. Okay, cool. Like that's a good idea, but it'll be at 100% support in the Democratic party, like two percent support and the Republican by they all oppose. It literally based on who proposes it and then later it, six months later. It gets proposed by the other side and it it just switches around.
And I mean, I know some people who think that this is a good part of us politics because the gridlock means that things move more slowly. I don't know. It seems very immature to me because again, that's the toxic tribalism, right. Instead of thinking of, okay. What is think what politics is supposed to be supposed to be? You're not, you're not rulers, you're supposed to be representatives of your areas. You're supposed to do. What's best for your community? What's best for?
The American people that should really be. The question is shouldn't be. What's best for the Republican Party? What's best for the Democratic Party? By the way, it's insane. You guys have 330 million people and only two like big parties. But anyway, that's not, no, that's not the point that. But instead it. That's, that's what it falls down to. I mean, last year, so much stuff was based around. Oh, how would this affect Trump's chances of re-election, even when it came to the response to this pandemic, right? People were thinking
Is this going to help Trump get reelected or not? Right? And that is insane. Right? If you're actually worried about like, doing right by the American people, in this case actually protecting people's lives, but say, you know, potentially saving people's lives, Etc. The last thing on your mind should be this red blue donkey versus elephant
nonsense. Well, we better off without any political parties, like, if you had to go in as a politician, you are not allowed to identify with.
Political party and you basically had to participate in the governance system. Without every time your name being listed. It says, you know, your are - South Carolina DC, you know, - New York or whatever like would that make the system better? Or is there actually a net positive to having the political parties?
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Fascinating to think about it. It's a good, it's a good idea. And I think that
People, I think a lot of people would hear that and sort of by reflex rejected, just because they're so used to this binary system, but I don't see off my off the top of my head. I'm like that certainly an idea that is worth exploration because it a big problem at the moment is it's incentives. Right? At the moment, people are incentivized to tow the party line, go along with the party. Everything, you know, The Party, The Party, The Party,
And again, the focus is on the wrong thing, or people are even thinking, okay. How does this is this gonna get help me get in in power? Or is it going to help me to become more popular, or more wealthy? Etc. And again, if you're in politics, you're supposed to be representing the people people always forget that both citizens and those Representatives. They forget that they are civil servants from the president to a congressman, to a mayor to a governor. You're not supposed to be
A king, you're not supposed to be a dictator. You're not supposed to just be our leader. It's like okay, I represent and to his credit. I think the governor here does a pretty good job of that Ron DeSantis, right? I think he does a pretty good job and he's one of the few politicians. I'm sure some people like him, some people, don't whatever but it certainly comes across like he's actually trying to do right by the citizens of his of his State and he's actually, you know, he'll take a lot of flak. He'll take a lot of metaphorical bullets.
For, you know, people out there calling him. Oh, he's letting people die in that sense. Whatever. And he's like, look, I'm trying to protect people's freedom and liberty. We've done these roll out for, you know, the vaccines, we've done this with the hospitals and we're going to allow our citizens to make choices. We're not going to like, try to believe them or forced. Like that's anti-American. We're not China. We're not North Korea. We're not going to roll like that. Whereas a lot of other politicians are not doing that kind of again just going with the top down party lines. So I think this whole idea of not having the parties.
The way that it currently is, maybe it's a pipe dream. But, um, it's it's certainly an interesting idea. I think you'd always want this, you want the incentives to be not perverse. You want the incentives to be lined up. So people are rewarded and incentivized to do. What's truly the right thing or to represent their constituents properly. Not just to do what gets them, more Fame and power and
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So far. Everyone is watching live right now. If we get to 500 likes will take questions from the audience. Let's do it. I see lots and lots of questions coming and we're not taking any questions till we get to 500 likes to make sure you smash the like button. Smash it. We have yesterday. I tweeted to quotes. The first was from Albert Einstein. He said blind belief in Authority is the greatest enemy of Truth. Hmm. Albert Einstein who so far has not been politicized. I don't believe has been accused of
Anything that kind of cancels, I'll burn Einstein. He's a white man. He's white. Yes. He is. He straight depends who you ask. Probably those are some pretty big sins right now, but he he said, blind, belief in Authority is the greatest enemy of Truth. Now, we've got a second quote from Benjamin Franklin. He said, it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority. And I felt like these two quotes. Go hand in hand with each other. It's got Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein again.
I'm sure someone someone somewhere has issues with both of them because they're just historical figures. But Blind. Belief in Authority is the greatest enemy of Truth and it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority. Yeah.
Is it now taboo to question it? Is it now out of bounds. Are you a an outcast of mainstream Society? If you question the mainstream narrative or question authority,
I don't know. It's made me pretty popular. No, it's it's not. But there is a perception. There's a perception that it is. And firstly, those quotes are very much on point.
Because rules should exist for a reason. And if someone is in a position of authority, they should always be able and willing to explain their decisions, right? This goes with the starts with most fundamental leaders, we have in our society, which our parents, right? I'm not a parent yet, but I know growing up. If there were rules in the household or things, I was told, and I asked my parents, like God bless them rather than them just sort of slapping me down and tell.
We me not to they'd explain. Why, right? Okay, why is there why is there this Rule? And in fact, I do know something that I think planted a seed for me to maybe be the way I am. As I went to boarding school when I was 11. So I was living in Saudi Arabia. I got sent to boarding school in the UK from the age of 11. So, from that age, I was flying by myself and parents thousands and thousands of miles away from me and something. There were some pros of boarding school, but one thing I grew to really
About boarding school was there were just some stupid rules that made no sense. The rule existed simply because it was the rule like, what first, and last 5 minutes of every meal had to be in silence. Just control your control. Yep. The first, and last last 5 minutes of every male had to be in silence. Did you like sit down like a timer? The Headmaster would have a bell. He'd stand up after five minutes and ring it
and then you could talk to your calls. Yeah, and then at the end because
you know, actually you can't digest your food unless you're silent that must have been science,
right. And so like that, that's one examine. There were. There were a lot of that was pretty stupid, really, right? And if you asked why it was, because because that's the real and what wasn't they could have at least tried to explain, if the explanation didn't fully make sense, but it was literally just we have power over you. Shut up, you little kid.
This is the problem with education in general and
Usually I focus the United States, but I think globally is invest in a business called synthesis and their entire thesis is we asked kids to go to school for eight, nine hours. And we literally tell them sit down, don't move, shut up and listen to us like that is the general premise of it.
We also put people in prison and say, sit down, shut up and listen to us for 23 out of 24 hours a day, right? And so I'm not going to go as far as to say school is prison for children. Mmm, but there's a lot of similarities. Yeah, including I don't know if you've seen there is a website where it says prisoner school. So it's like a quiz.
So can I take pictures of the outside of the
buildings? And literally, if you take it, I promise you'll fail lately. There's nothing like it's impossible to
There's doing the president of the school. And so, and, you know, some of them just look like I call an Eastern European kind of facades of buildings were never. So when you think about what actually leads to, innovators problem, solvers entrepreneurs, all this stuff. It's the exact opposite training, right? If school is training you for the real world. And yes, you have to get some base level of knowledge, right? You have to know two plus two equals four, that is still true. You have to understand that gravity works.
You have to understand that supply and demand is a economic concept that everyone still buys into for now. But if you can't question authority, if you can't question the problem, if you can't
Be encouraged to try to solve a problem and it's okay to fail actually. Failure is a good thing. It should be celebrated to some degree. You end up. Just being basically a production of a system that was meant to go work in a factory where there's a hierarchical structure and you're just told move a to be right and do it over note. So there was a purpose for this education.
But I'm going to paraphrase, the quote and I forgot who says it, but it's basically like learn to think.
Because most people are too lazy to do it, right? Of just like we go through life and you just kind of do what you're told to do. You just kind of go through the motions, but actually sitting in critically thinking it's actually a pretty difficult task, but look, it can be mentally taxing. You have to stop, like, call time out on life and like do it and the third thing is like it might lead you to some uncomfortable places. Yeah. And so when you talk about the boarding school and let's compare. It's like maybe a monastery type school or this synthesis program. They're like,
Ball actually opposed to each other, right? Where they literally say sit down. Be quiet for 5 mins before you start eating versus in like a Montessori environment. The question, everything. Yes, like, those two things, do not jive with each other, but it feels like, that's where the bifurcation and Society goes is almost. Some people believe we should have a world where it's the equivalent of school, just extrapolate it out to reality. And then there's this other group of people who believe. No, that's not how we get progress. It's not how we can solve problems. It's not how we
So kind of continue to move forward. We need to question everything. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
big on look because the thing is all good ideas. All good. All good ideas can be explained.
Bright, they can be explained and there's also evidence that they are good ideas. So if someone challenges, good ideas are not afraid of Challenge and people who are actual experts and who are honest and who are confident in their abilities. I mean, if you go to a doctor and I don't know, you have a problem with your leg. You have a problem with your stomach, you have some issue.
You can, if you have a decent doctor, you can ask them. There's no stupid questions, right? You can ask them as many questions. They say something. Of course, they are the authority. They are the expert. But if you had a doctor and you ask himself, you know, you know, the he prescribes medications like well, okay. Well, what are the potential side effects of this? And he's like just trust me you'd be like, I'm not taking it. Look I'm not taking that you feel like okay. Well, what's this? Like, can you tell me more about that? Like you're not going to maybe be able to fully understand it at his level? But
Good decent. Doctor will be willing to sit there as long as they can and answer all of your questions. This goes with with, with everything and if people are not willing to do that, then it's a big issue coming back to looping all back on something else. You said actually which was interesting when you were talking about critical thinking is it's also why free speech is so important because your capacity to think is limited. If you're by yourself, right? Like us conversing right now. We're both were like,
Doing this sort of verbal dance, where we're both like, strengthening our own ideas and getting new ones and having them challenged. And we're able to think better right now than we are. If we were just sitting in a room by ourselves thinking about the same topics because I'm like, okay. Well, let me let me float this idea out here and I get feedback, and I'm like, oh, that's Parks another thought. And then we both leave being smarter and that's also why it's so important online and offline.
For people to have these conversations and I think that it should always be encouraged when you get this thing of. Oh, I disagree with this person on X. And so therefore I'm going to block them or I'm not going to speak to them or I'm going to cancel them or whatever. It's like, no have that conversation at the minimum. Even if you still disagree you'll at least have the empathy. You'll at least be able to understand why someone feels that way. Twitter
also, does this Twitter's are going to attrition of ideas and
Most people who are quote, unquote, successful on Twitter by being able to build a large audience. They have survived kind of the battlefield. The intellectual battle field. If you will, and it forces a Clarity of thought it first. It forces you to think critically about what you say before you say it. Anyone who's got a big audience, will tell you, they know like, hey one time, I tweeted something like it was
stupid and I got attacked. Right? So like that, there is
this like feedback mechanism to it.
And it also it forces you to learn to articulate ideas in a very unique way that goes back to whatever the thought is like, you know, oh would have been shorter, but I ran out of time. We're on Twitter, like you'll get 200 characters, like you have to do it. And so when you're talking about the, the doctor, there's a book, Malcolm Gladwell wrote outliers and it reminded me of a section. So, this is coming from a Calvin. Rozier. I think I say it. He basically has notes online of
This book and it's around practical intelligence and the notes that he took from that section was he says, a big driver in different outcomes between the rich and poor is that rich received training in Practical intelligence. Practical, intelligence is the soft and social skills that help you more easily navigate Society, negotiation Comfort questioning Authority, respecting your place in the work, etc. Whereas poor parents typically let their kids develop independently Rich parents understand the importance of the
Intelligence skills and find ways to cultivate these skills in their children. For example, a rich parent, may tell their child to ask questions at the doctor while which wall seemingly trivial developed that child's comfort with questioning authority figures and Gladwell calls. This practice by the rich concerted cultivation, which is a pretty too big words. And is a practice that gives rich kids a big advantage over poor kids. And now these are ideas. Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book, Etc. But this idea that
as a child is being raised, the doctor is probably one of the biggest authority figures that they come in contact with, right. They wear a uniform at the white coat on their told about their health Etc. And literally whether it's rich or poor or whatever, the kind of societal Dynamic is questioning that Authority or not. As a young child. There's probably a pretty big impact over over time in terms of your critical thinking skills, Etc and
That seems stupid, that seems like most parents would just say, hey, shut up. Listen to what the doctor says. Let's get out of here. Mmm, but there's a value to it. There
is, and I think that's one of the, like, that's one of the great things about kids as well until you children by. Default, are they do this by default? Right? Like they asked questions. They're very, very curious to know. What's the point of it being annoying? Right? What's the most annoying question kids? Why?
Why, right? And, but that shouldn't be like threatened, her be tan out of town. I think it should be. I think it should. It should mostly be encouraged and entertained. Because again, if you have a rule or there's something out there, you should be able to explain it. Right? If you have a rule in your household. Okay, you can't do take something obvious. Right? You you you can't hit your sister, right? You should be able to explain, why, right? You should be able to explain.
NY, it's wrong to hit your sister. Right? Would you like it if she hit, you know, okay, so don't hurt people because you don't like it when you are, right? Pretty Autobot, a basic level, you could even just explain it like that. Right? But if you have rules where so I remember growing up, like, there'd be weird rules. I remember something like, in some of my friends houses. They were weird rules and it was like, you're allowed to drink in the you're allowed to drink in this room, but you're not allowed to drink in that room right there.
Both rooms have the same flooring. They have like the same. It's like why can't I drink water in this room? Like this was a real Rule and I'm like, so even as a kid I was like this is stupid. It doesn't make sense. And I asked I asked my friends parents why? And they just said, well, that's just the rule, it's our house. That's the rule. And I'm like, yeah, but you know, it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me. And this is what I'm like seven years old or whatever. I'm like, that doesn't make sense. And it's the same. I mean, what are the biggest rules? The biggest rules are laws, right? So every law,
That exists. You should, there should be a decent explanation as to why it exists. Why it exists in the UK. You have little have some of these silly rules, like, you know, you can't think in London. There's a, there's a rule in London that you it's illegal to handle a salmon in suspicious. Circumstances
the Go Fish. Yeah, salmon it, isn't it. Also,
I'm not sure what that means. You can't
talk in an elevator
is that? I don't think that's a law. I know you're not. It's at, you know, it's illegal to be drunk inside a pub, really. Yeah, it's illegal to be jumping. Drunk inside a pub in England, like it's not enforced.
All these weird rules, right? Yeah, where I don't know. I'm sorry, on a Thursday. You can't do exit. Just these bizarre rules that you don't make sense.
Sorry. In New York. Okay. It is against the law in New York state to speak to anyone in elevator.
So I, that's why nobody when you feel better. Nobody talks about
it, but literally illegal to talk to anyone to know.
Yeah. I just don't like, I don't have a problem with authority, the authority.
Just has to make sense. All right, I think some people think like, oh, you know, it's just an anti-authoritarian like an, I'm anti-authoritarian, but I'm not anti-authority. It's just like the authority has to make sense, right? Takes another thing. That's absurd that's been going on in the past, 18 months, all around the world. You're supposed to walk. In a restaurant, you supposed to wear a mask. As you walk into a restaurant, but then sitting down, you can take it off.
Make me six no sense.
Right? Sit down. Yeah, so comes at you ever seen the meme? It
goes over your head. Yeah, that's all you're sitting. It. Just I was in Portugal two months ago in Porto and you know, there was an indoor dining. There's like 30 people sitting inside eating or whatever eating smoking, drinking. I was eating outside. I finished my meal and I'm going I'm going in to use the bathroom and I get stopped at the door and they want me to put a mask.
I literally, I literally laughed, I pointed, I literally just pointed at everyone and I was just like just shrug my shoulders and then the person at the door laughed and was like okay come in because they could they themselves in like yeah, that means nothing.
Here's the crazy part about it is like I always I always say to myself the person who stops you at the door and says it didn't come up with that role in nine out of ten cases right there. Not the owner of the business. They're not the person who
Guidance from the government or whatever. There's like. Hey, man, I want to get
fired. I
know I'm gonna be the good soldier. I'm going to carry out the orders and, and, you know, can you please put a
mask on? And then once you're like, hey, you can like see them like I do. I get shocked that it like, like, oh, yeah. All right. Yeah, just hurry up anxiety. It doesn't they know, they know it doesn't make sense. So they're just like, yeah, I can't even, I can't even come up with something here.
One of the concepts. I really like is it's called five wise, which is like a,
A bad name because it's so easy, but it comes from Toyota. I think is the one who really kind of pioneered this and it's an iterative and talk interrogated of technique used to explore the cause and effect relationship. Underlying a particular rule Etc. And so the example of they have here is your vehicle won't start. So the first thing, why the battery's dead. Yes. Okay, why is the battery debt? The alternator is not functioning? Okay. Why is the alternate or not functioning? Right? The all alternator belt Has Broken?
Why that happened don't send her belt was well beyond its useful service life and not replaced. Okay, why did that happen? Well, you didn't maintain the surface of the vehicle based on the Periodic servicing, your supposed to do the vehicle. So you could just say, oh, the battery's dead and that's kind of the elementary, you know, Band-Aid. It's just fix battery. Or you can figure out like, hey, if I want to prevent this in the future through cause actually that I wasn't getting the vehicle serviced, you know, as I was supposed to is, if I start doing that, then I will get to this point.
And when you think about an easy example, like you said of you can drink in one room, but you can't drink it. Another if you were to sit there and ask your parents or your friends parents, why? And they say, because that's the rule and he said, why
after like three times it's like smack you right?
In the reason why I present it that way is there is an element of in order for rules to be effective and to be openly
To by the masses. There has to be an expectation of intellectual rigor, applied by the rule makers. Yes. So, the rule makers are intellectually lazy. They're going to create bad rules. Those rules that are easily identified by anyone with any sort of intellectual critical thinking that says that rule doesn't make sense. And then you just get this weird thing where you then. After basically asks, the person who has figured out the rule of stupid, Please adhere to it, just because it will make Society more.
Civ, whatever. And jaywalking is also, one of my favorite examples, where it makes sense that they would create a rule, where walk on the crosswalk. So that people don't get hit by cars and die. Okay. Sure. I would love to see in New York City, people hit by cars. How many of them are in the crosswalk versus not in the crosswalk. I don't know what the data is, but I'm assuming that there are plenty of people who get hit in the crosswalk as well.
But you can't enforce the rule. And so you also get into this weird thing of you have to create good rules. But then also you have to be able to enforce the rules in order to actually have the intended impact that you want. Right?
Jaywalking is interesting because that's that's that's not in the UK. You guys don't have a
gym while there's no jaywalking interested. You can cross the street anyway, and there are crosswalks, like, crosswalks. It's not illegal to cross anywhere else.
You can't cross a Motorway, obviously, but I don't know. You'd want to try anyway, but no jaywalking. Is this not a thing in Europe, Europe in general?
Don't think as jaywalking as a
law. There is an element of some rules are created with the idea that the population is stupid. Yes, and then there is an element of the highways, a great example. There's nobody trying to cross the highway.
You don't have to have a law that says don't run across the highway, right? That's illegal. People are like, I think I might die.
And sure there is some like gray area of Oats a busy street and so maybe people
Hi it. You only need two or three people to get hit and then everyone realizes like don't run across the street. Yeah, right. And so it's almost like in some crazy way humans are smarter than the rules. Yeah. I mean, it's
something that's really important when it comes to laws specifically and Libertarians, tend to think about it this way, but I think most people don't is that how our laws enforced?
Right, every law is ultimately forced is always ultimately backed by a threat of imprisonment / violence. So before people go crazy on making laws, they should think, am I willing for agents of the state, primarily police to use force and threats of force and violence to enforce this.
And people don't think this way and this is when you start getting, you know, when people start making tons and tons of stupid laws which can lead to escalations altercations and even people getting killed. Oftentimes. It starts with something. That's this very frivolous, right. Selling a loose cigarette, right? Because there's a law that you can't sell loose cigarettes in. I don't know, New York City, the police now are engaged, and now, there's an altercation, and there's now a potentially lethal threat in the case of non-compliance. So I think people would agree.
Are you okay with the police using Force to stop a murder? Yes. Stop a thief. Yes. Stop a rapist. Yes, to stop someone walking across the street like in a place. Not. No, not. No. Actually. I'm not okay with that smoke a little bit of week. No, I'm not. I'm not into drugs myself, but someone wants to smoke do itit, makes no, someone's son. Someone's smoking some weed in their apartment. Do I think the police should come kick down their door waving guns like,
No, right.
It's one thing. If they got some grass, this is always my favorite. They literally went and picked up grass in New York City from Central Park. Okay, and put it into a wrap and lit it on fire and smoked it. They're allowed to do that interest. But if they do get a different plant, it's illegal. Yeah, and again, there's science, that would suggest there's difference between the grass and the weed and all the stuff and everything, but it leads back into
Do people actually care and there's two, there's two examples that come to mind. There's new documentary, on Netflix called Cocaine. Cowboys is kind of Billy Corbin created and I think they've been working on this for actually, a pretty
long time. Billy Corbin. Isn't he? The guy from Asia musician, or my mixing mixing? Well,
that's a great question. I don't know, maybe I'm excited. But but he's, I think the executive producer on this thing and it looks at the 80s into the 90s of these two guys will leave.
Alcone. And the other guy's name is Salma gluta. I think is how you say and they're based in Miami. They bring in estimated 75, tons of cocaine. Well a lot of money even back then, right tens of millions, if not hundreds of options.
But they're nonviolent. They're not known for killing people. Screwing people over excetera. It's actually from what the way is presented documentary. It's family business. So they employ their brother, their sister, their cousin, their cousins, you know, husband bought stuff.
and,
They end up helping the local community to the tune of they're donating money. They're paying for people to go to school. They're doing all these things that like if the money wasn't coming from drugs. Yes, you would say. That's an upstanding citizen right II it. So they have Drug Money. Allegedly, right immediately, bad people, right? And the other example is, if you ever watched American Gangster with Denzel, Washington, I have. Yeah, he
Thanksgiving basically goes the hoodie opens up the 18-wheeler, right engine starts handing out turkeys. Things like loved there is this element of
What Society labels a bad person could do some good? Right? So it's not just completely black and white but also going back to the Cocaine Cowboys documentary at one point. It becomes clear that these two guys have been pulling off this scheme or this business, and they have like a lot of police officers. Now, they might public officials and they must and others on the payroll. And so, this is an Enterprise.
But somehow nobody who, you know, wears a suit and tie and goes to a public office or as a police officer gets in trouble for this specific thing, right? Some of them get in trouble for the things but you start looking and it's like the way that Society categorises. Oh, you're an elected official good person. Good person. Who did Bad Thing drug dealer? Bad person who maybe you did one good thing, but you're a bad person.
I don't know if there's that big of a difference if they're both participating in the same scheme. I
think the government's are going to begin with, but that's a whole another conversation. Go ahead. Do you explain it? Simple. Everything that the government does?
Take the most obvious. One taxation. What happens? If you don't pay your taxes or you under pay them, you go to jail
or you're fine.
Okay, if a gang did that, what would it be called Distortion?
True? Okay,
right. Or even in prison, you'll be called kidnapping, right? So the government does everything that a criminal organization would do both domestically and internationally that if it were not the government, if it didn't have that label, that makes it legitimate.
It would be the mafia would be like an obvious. It would be really direct one. I didn't want to talk about, we're gonna talk about the nation's wealth. Like let's just go to
Afghanistan. Okay, right because that's a timely topic right now. United States invaded Afghanistan in 2001.
Majority of people, the social consensus, I think would be, that was a good reason to go, and invade Afghanistan to try to take out the Taliban, which was led by an individual or group of individuals, that orchestrated an attack on America, right? 911.
Wasn't that all Qaeda that did 9/11 or my mixing things
up? So you're already starting to get into which group actually is the one who did it exception, but
The United States send soldiers. Originally, if you've ever watched a movie 12 strong, which is literally, we spent we sent specially trained kind of Special Operations soldiers. They land in the mountains. They team up with Warlords in Afghanistan. The United States has deemed. You are going to be our friend as we go fight. The other Warlords, right? Who are not our friend. Yes. How they are selected. Who's good? Who's bad?
At all Up For Debate. All up for. There's plenty of people who are much smarter than me much more educated me on that stuff and we'll analyze it. And the US 20 years later. Almost to the day is pulling out now and over the last 20 years. We spent trillions.
There's been thousands of American lives that have been lost and we went from invade and topple the Taliban to nation-building. Nation, building is our great term. Lot of nuance in there. Who cited are you on? Who are you against all up for analysis and debate?
But as we leave, there is a Western World belief that we are taking away. The order, the Law and Order of this country, the constant patrolling of American soldiers, on the street to protect the citizens and do. All the stuff Afghanistan has made incredible progress from many different measurements in terms of women in the workforce women educated.
Business creation economic output, like there's a whole bunch of metrics that you can look at both that involve social issues. And also do not that there has been progress made as we leave. There's no stories where the Taliban basically in a week has gone from control in the mountains and kind of the places where the US had pushed them to to they have now, as of an hour ago, have taken the second third and fourth largest cities.
In the country back, that would be the equivalent of taking back everything but like New York City, basically, right there are reports coming out that they're going into schools and telling women you are not allowed to go to school. Go back home and do not come back going into workplaces saying go home do not come back. One of your male relatives can fill this position, but you're not allowed to be here. And there is this Western worldview that the Taliban is going to come in kill everyone.
This is really bad, the destabilization of the country Etc. There's a lot of Truth to that, right? As we know the Taliban is not necessarily adhere to the Western values. Etc. Sure.
With that said, there's been plenty of reports of the last twenty years of citizens in the country. Who said, hey, we actually preferred when they were in charge because there was a power structure, there was rules and sure I don't like the rules, but I followed them like that. There was the rules equivalent the mafia New York in the 50s 60s 70s.
A lot of people just said, hey, those are the road like they are the cops right there. They basically act like the government. I pay attacks. They protect me. They have certain social rules. Whatever. Yeah.
I want to be clear that I'm not claiming either. One of those groups are good people, right? But what I am saying is that, when there is a vacuum of power, somebody will always step it, right? You saw this even in see, I think, oh, Seattle during the lockdown drop. Yeah. Well, whatever. What? Was that? Guy's name? Oh, the
world, like the rapper, right? Like some guy, all of a sudden. He's the king of Seattle, right? And it was like, holy shit like there is
Difference between that guy
and somebody who does that in a foreign country when there's a power vacuum. Yeah, and so it just starts to ask the question of, like, what is the difference where is good and bad? What is good or evil? Like I don't I just don't think it's as clear as people want to make it seem and the world is really, really messy. And there's lots of gray area.
It's complicated man. Well, I mean some things are some things I think 99% of us would agree. Are are cut and dry.
But then there's stuff that's complicated. And there's also a difference between morality and legality. Right? Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean that it is immoral and vice versa. Right? Sometimes in fact, the immoral thing to do is to follow the law, if they created a law, in some countries saying you should go and beat up your neighbor.
Right, that's obviously immoral, right? It's legal aid, even if they said, you know, it's illegal to not beat up your neighbor. You like, you are compelled to beat up your neighbor, right? That would be immoral, right? This happened in Nazi Germany, right? There were it was illegal to hide it. You in your house. It's morally. The correct thing to do to protect someone from someone who is trying to execute them. Obviously. That's the moral thing to do, but they made that illegal. So the Bounder which also is why I I don't subscribe to the, you know, the government or
State is God kind of thing. Right? Like, that's the Arbiter of what is, right? And wrong. You can think back look, even in the USA. One of the greatest countries in the world. You guys have had some effed-up laws back in the day. Obviously everyone. Everyone agrees, right? You know, it was slavery. Jim Crow segregation. It's nearly everyone agrees. Like now in 2021. Everyone is like that was obviously
when those are just the race-related.
Oh gosh. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you just picked on one of many. Yeah. I took those because those are the kind the most obviously egregious things.
That you can look back on now and be like, oh my gosh, like holy crap, like you're lots of stone, a human being and like beat them and killed. Like obviously that's a moral man. But this thing is something that went on for thousands and thousands of years and not just the USA, right? Slavery was a global phenomenon, which we can look back on now. Let's say that's that's obviously wrong. So it's certainly it's complex. I think there's some stuff there where it's like, okay, it's clear, right? And everyone agrees regardless of your political position, whatever religious position. Everyone's like, okay, like that's
That's obviously wrong. Most obvious is murder. Okay, you just killing someone innocent. No, no propagate. Just just killing somebody right? Everyone agrees, whatever like who there's consensus on that one. And you know, people Jen largely agree with that. I don't things like theft, which doesn't directly, you know, physically necessarily hurt someone but you're no depriving. Someone else of their property, you know, taking what doesn't belong to me, like that, that's wrong etcetera. And then there's stuff where it's
Like mmmm and then you get also get to the area where something could be strongly immoral even or, you know, at least may not suit and not as strong as that level, but something could be generally deemed a more. Okay, I think most people again, regardless of your political or religious orientation. Most people would agree that if you are married, it's wrong to cheat on your spouse. Right? Most people would agree with, should it be illegal?
I would actually say no, right? I don't think it should be illegal. Don't think should be jailed for it. I think it's strongly and I think it's strongly strongly immoral, but that doesn't necessarily mean, it should be illegal, right? And that's where things get, sort of complicated and different countries. Different lawmakers, Etc. Will have different ideas on that. I mean, I grew up in the Middle East, I grew up in Saudi Arabia. So the way that things are structured, there in the way. The laws are etcetera. There's a lot of stuff that is. That's different.
And that in itself country to country that shows that some people don't really like this notion of what do people call it? People call it cultural relativism when they when they say that. Oh, you know, saying that some, but it's and I, again, I can even understand that I don't think that, you know, something bad, shouldn't always just be some who something that's wrong. Does it can just be all? Well, it's part of the culture. So, it's okay, right? I don't buy that line of argument either.
Yeah, but what I'm saying, is that as we both acknowledge some stuff is, is gray and it is culturally influenced to some degree in its historically influenced to some degree. And I am certain that a
century from now.
There will be just like we can look back at 1921 and we can point at things in society where we're like, man that was messed
up or that was wrong or you know, like that wasn't
right. We can do that. Sometimes. Quite clearly. I believe in another hundred years from now, they'll be looking at us in 2021.
Like pointing at things and going like, hey, like, what were those guys doing? Like that was. That was wrong, right? They'll be canceling, just like that. Ripping down statues. Now people the founding fathers because they owned slaves, or if you whatever, whatever it was at the time, there's gonna be if they're statues of people who are considered Heroes. Now, I guarantee you a hundred years from now people. There will be the progressives of 20. I don't know where you would that even be 2121, will be wanting to rip down statues of this.
This person or that person that they want to change this school name or change that road name or whatever why we will see, right? We can, we can kind of speculate on what we could be doing right now. That is looked back on with
such you. And I may get cancelled a hundred years from now. For having this conversation.
Who knows? Who knows? It's, it's entirely possible. Here's something that's really interesting. Is that we're actually living in the first time period, where everything we do from now on. Assuming there's not some huge
Crazy situation. Everything is now fully
documented key. Imagine being right, a 15 16 year old kid right now. Yeah and every dumb thing you say do whatever is documented put on the internet and think
about him. A lot of a lot of children are on social media prior to them being born, right? People post like baby scans of photos. Hey, we're expecting here's a you know, 20 weeks can everything is guy. Like you can see that individual before they're even born like
Are on you are on Facebook before your zero with birthday, right? That's that's wild. So like someone who grows over now. It's like, dude. You can literally track your entire life from then. I mean our knowledge of history is it's a little bit fuzzy. I mean, how long is when with how long was this video been around? 400 ish years some like right, but obviously it wasn't not. A lot of stuff was captured on video and photography back in the day. You go back a certain time, you know, even if you're just looking at 1800
Our earlier, it's generally like you, we just know what some people look like based off paintings. All right, like, there's like one painting of this guy with what we think Genghis, Khan look like, right? Like one painting or whatever, our this
King women of the FBI, you know. Hey, here's what this terminal may look like 50 years later. Writes. A thing is like, we think George
Washington look. So we have no idea. That's all I got like, we don't all these historical figures. We don't actually even know what they look like, but from now on not only will you be able to see the real buddy. Watch.
I'm on video. You'll be able to watch them on, you know, see their videos, listen to their podcast, like our our, our future, our great-great great-great-great-great great-great-great. Grandchildren will be able to go back and be like, oh, wow. Look, that's my great. Great, great, great, great, great Granddad. And like, hey, he was a rapper and he had a podcast and
he took that you're doing something crazy, because there's another thing that's interesting, is those photos always present them in their best light, right? Always presents.
With the best clothes always standing in a very, you know, powerful position or whatever. Even to the point of view ever, go back and look at like the Declaration of Independence. Every single person has perfect posture. Every person in every painting is literally looking like they are, you know, about to run for president, right? Whatever. It's like, I'm pretty sure it took a little while. Yeah, somebody's put the feet up on the table, right? Like something was like, yeah. Like this is like, we got to chill, like, I'm tired, right? Did you know what else?
It's funny from that. What is
when you think back of like people in history? I made maybe I don't know if everyone else does this, but I always imagine them being like really serious, always right? Because there's no pictures or whatever of people like having fun and being normal and laughing and joking. It's all like even the family photos. It's like everyone every day, right? Like the mother the child, everyone's soup. Like because people didn't mean too small in photos. Yeah, right. Everyone's just mad serious. Only. Jeez, man, like life. It seems like people didn't soccer.
Yes, I seems like people didn't used to have fun. Right? And I'm like, oh, no, I'm sure. Like, of course they had fun like that celebrations. They party they told jokes whatever. But what you see is just like this super stoic, super serious thing all the time. So and then, of course, with stuffing in black and white, even it's like, it's like lacks color and everything's just is
weird. I always like the colorized foot, like, they took the old photos and the colorize them now, and you do feel different. When you look at the black and white versus the color, obviously.
How do you think about yourself? You're like a very confusing person? I think to the main street, right? You're a black man who was born in the UK, grew up in Saudi Arabia, went to boarding school. Back in the UK, you had what most people would consider a great job. You quit to pursue a rap career, but now you have this like intellectual dark web aspect on Twitter and elsewhere and you have essentially broken.
Mold when it comes to work, the freedom to speak your mind and the things that you do from an enjoyment perspective and I think that for like the mainstream they could never put you in a box.
Yeah.
There's great power. I think that comes with that.
Are there, downsides as well?
So good question. I think the yeah, they're certainly downsides. I think the upsides massively massively outweigh the downsides
and
The thing is, I do what I love and my North Star is wanting to have a positive impact on millions and millions of people through my words and actions. That's the through line. Through everything. I do from podcasts to interviews to my music, to my book to public speaking. I want to positively impact in and influence people. When I die. I want millions of people around the world to be like, man, like that. Guy made my life better in some way, shape, or form. So for me, personally, that's what I feel like.
I'm here on Earth to do which to some people may sound kind of like ooh, that sounds a bit like egotistic or arrogant or I like I don't care like that's what I'm doing. I'm already doing it and I'm going to do a lot more of it over the next coming decades. And in terms of the, in terms of the downsides. It's like it can be a lie, because, you know, you have a you have a very large following, there's millions of people who know who you are, the majority of people. I'm sure who know who you are like you and you know, like you and respect you etcetera, and there's going to be some people who
Who are critics or who are haters, or who misunderstand intentionally or unintentionally etcetera and that can always be frustrating. Like it's not you grow it, you grow a thick skin and you have to but it's never nice to see someone telling lies about you or just like cussing you out for no real reason. I is not it's not pleasant but the love so much outweighs it that it's like, who cares, you know, it's 20 to 1, right? For every 20 lovely messages or DMS or comments.
Whatever. I get, I get one, which is like, and of course, as human beings, were were more sensitive to negative emotions and we are two positive. So, the one you remember, all right, although you 20 people pump. I love you. I love your show. I love what you're doing. You help me do this. Let me do that, you know, and then that one where someone just like, you know, that's the one. You remember, just like because it's how it's how we're wired. So I think it's important to just acknowledge that and then focus focus on the positive because if you focus
Focus on the negative. Not only is it bad for you mentally, but it also, it also interrupts what you're doing. It gets in the way of your of your hustle. And so many people don't do what they want to do. Coming back, full circle to what we were saying before the biggest human fear more than death. I believe, is social disapproval. So why don't people you got people? I want to do YouTube. I'm afraid of putting out, I'm afraid to do. I want to do YouTube but like I'm afraid, I want to start a podcast, but I'm not so sure. I want to, I want to write a book. It's
People are afraid of social judgment. They are there. They're not afraid of making a YouTube video. They're afraid they'll make a YouTube video and either no one will watch it. Or if people do, they're going to tell you. Hey, your video sucks. All right, they want to make music but they're afraid of that person going man. Your music sucks dick to your Jade day, job, whatever. And people have to be able to get over that. Hump. If I can give people any encouragement. It's like look, that's going to happen. It's inevitable. But if you let that stop you, you're literally letting those people win, right? You're letting them win.
If you're like, oh, you know what? I'm going to stop tweeting because like a bunch of haters told me that I should stop. So, you know why I'm going to stop rapping? Because someone told me my song sucks. It's like I don't think, you know, that's fine. Well, a hundred people told me they loved it. A thousand people told me to love so just keep, just keep going. Keep doing your thing and you'll naturally attract the right people. There's not a single person in this world in any genre who everybody likes and it's rare for even most people like something the most who's
Do you think is the most, like, musician in the world? Would you
say the most liked? Yeah, I would have to itself a pop star. And if you had to measure, you'd have to separate out English-speaking or not, because my guess is actually there's probably somebody from like a Latin like Ricky Martin or, you know, somebody like that who has kind of global appeal in a different way, but right now, or even historically,
Yeah, I mean right now Michael Jackson does everybody like Michael
Jackson?
Yeah, but how many people they have? No, I'm saying, billions of people of Michael Jackson's music, probably hundreds of millions, at least. Yeah, but millions of people don't. Yeah, right, like
Dolly Parton's. Probably up there. Yeah. I mean right now but you got to ask yourself the people like Drake or Kanye if they both dropped their album on the same day who's
talking about do. But my yeah, but my, my point is for all those fans and for all that love and there are still millions of people who don't like Drake's music or don't feel like they like himself. There's millions of people who don't like
Who think Kanye West sucks, right? So imagine if Kanye was like, paid attention just to that and was all, you know, what? Like sexy boy, 6969 on YouTube said that my album sucks. So I'm done. I'm done. I'm packing it in right? It's over old man. My video got 4,000 dislikes, you know ignore that. I got 400,000 likes. Well, man, 4,000 people didn't like it like and they didn't like it so much that they wanted to express the read the
Sometimes sometimes what it do? You have a framework that you use in terms of when you read, or when you don't, or when you're reading, how you deal with the positive and negative? I think was Rogan actually said, he's like reading. The comments is bad for you. Regardless, if it's good or bad. Yeah, right. You by the bullshit or or you, you know, succumb to the the haters as well. Like, how do you think about when you read
something? That's a good question. I normally read it. I think things are things get to a stage where I mean like with Joe Rogan.
Min-hee on its employee would be literally impossible for him to read all the comments when you're at the stage when you can, then I still will read the majority. I won't necessarily react to everything and I think it's also important to be able to differentiate between hate and criticism, right? Because most people don't like criticism in general, right? I criticisms even if even if it's valid, in fact, if it's valid, it's probably stings a little bit more especially if it's coming from people who you care about. But
There's a difference between criticism and hate and that's also important for people to know some people call everything. Hey, and I'm like, no, that's not hate. That's just, it's a valid criticism. Need the
critics yet. Also at the same time. There's a fine line between critics and
hate. Yeah, I think look criticism is something you can do. Som the other, the way I differentiate is you can do something with it. I think there's a differentiation in the intentionality or I think hate is intentionally designed to harm. You where, as criticism comes from a place
you saw in traverses that song.
You could have had added
stronger beat to it down. Yeah, I didn't really like the beat on this song but the lyrics were dope right valid, but get whether I agree or not, whatever bike and all thats a hater. It's like no that's not a hater. That's just someone you know, they like, oh, they love that song. They like the beat on that song it and it's fine. So I think like criticism. It's the intentionality and it's also can you potentially do something with it? Right? I might find that. Okay, let people are generally saying that.
Oh my dear, the VOC the you maybe even in the mix of a song. Oh, you know, they're saying the vocals are too low. Like dozen people said that although I couldn't really hear what you were saying. Like, the beat was too loud. Sigh. Okay, that's not hate. That's okay. Good, good, good. I can do something with that. Listen to the podcast. They all, you know, like I can only hear it in the left, the left ear, like there was a problem with the sound. It's also good to know. Okay, cool. Like I can build on that if it's just, you're an idiot.
I disagree, but
I always categorize the haters as future fans. That don't know it yet. Mmm, I've just like you're a hater today, but like, I'll wear you down. Yeah, right. And like, if you keep watching, if you keep listening, then like, I'm just gonna eventually indoctrinate, you to become a fan, and when you do that, it's just like, like, it's on that. Like, they just haven't consumed enough content yet. Don't get there.
Yeah, or sometimes. It's denial.
All right, oftentimes a hater is a fan in denial, especially if it's a dedicated hater, if it's one of those ones, we like follows you on multiple platforms and their subscribe to your YouTube channel. And like, I'm like, man, you there's something you find compelling about me like clearly because if you genuinely dislike something, you, it's not hate you respond with this actually. Apathy. You just don't you just don't care. Like, you don't watch it. You don't listen, whatever, right? You're not like, there's more music in the world that you don't like. Then there is music that you like, of course, but you don't go around listening to
All of the going on all their YouTube videos and disliking that and writing come your song sucks. You suck your sucks. Like no sane person. Does that what you do is you just gravitate towards what you like, do stuff that you do, like, but for you to do the former, it would be like, man, there has to be something. You're fighting compelling about what this person is putting out there. If you're going in commenting on multiple videos and you're like follow yours the you're still following, you know, it's like you're a confused fan.
Yeah. It's just
Whenever I get any hateful messages and I get everything from like you suck, too. You're wrong. Just like, okay to like, go kill yourself, right? I mean, like the whole game and I'm sure you do as well. And sometimes just respond with. Hey, sounds like having a bad day. Let me know if I can do anything that. Like, feel free to like reach out if you need help and people get quiet. The other thing that shuts people up real fast is thanks for the engagement.
That one is like, oh, shit,
like my me basically saying negative things. I'm actually propelling this piece of content in the algorithm and people also get real gun. Shy, right? Because it's like, I could say something, but to some degree actually helping this person. So like, maybe I won't say anything and it's always like one of those like Judo moves where there's like, all right,
fine with actual hate. It's always a reflection on the hater rather than the target. Yeah, always reach like look, you know, no happy successful content, person, spends.
Hours online, or in the real world just hating on other people. It's not, it's not a thing. If you're doing that, there's something going on in your own life, in your own mentality, Etc. That is causing you to behave that way. And often times you just happened to be the target of the day. You just, you just happened to pop up on their feet at their other pump guy in his freaking grin and his thumbs up. It's just pissing me off and like United, you know,
Never let them see you sweat. Look, man. I got a, I got a great life. I literally got
nothing to complain about in life. It was like a picture of me. No
problem.
I got all is good on my side and and it pisses people off. By the way. I don't like, there are people who are literally like dude this guy and you're like,
but that's the thing.
It's our that me smiling makes you
mad. Yeah, you smiling makes me happy. I'm like dope. I love that. I love the pump is Liz, Liz, living his life. And he's there with his wife and they're doing this and not like I'm like,
Awesome. That's, can you imagine if I took photos with her like George Washington, you took photos, like
he was like, damn. We really got a hard life at home. You know, the funniest thing I find in Old less photos, but in the painting in Old paintings on, they draw babies and you know, they just make the babies look like little adults. They look like babies. They just like taking the adult face and it's all serious and they stick it on his body. Got a big ass.
Like line across their forehead. Got a full head of hair, combed over perfectly
teeth. All right, there on a one-month old
ready to rock a rhyme. That's so funny in Old paintings. I'm just like why are the baby's looking like that? Like it's not look like a
child. All right. We got 10 more minutes. I ask people for questions. They got all kinds of stuff in here. A bunch of people are commenting about Kanye and not necessarily direct questions. But what's your general take on? Love that game album not dropping yet. Oh and selling out the the stadium twice.
For listening show, which is incredible.
Yeah. Well, honestly, I haven't paid much attention to that stuff when it comes to music. I tend to not focus much or pay much attention to the Antics around it. I gotta will wait but like when the album drops, I will listen to the album. Yep, but like I'm not really following all the ins and outs and drama and soap opera stuff, surrounding the release. I'm just there, like, okay, I think I'm just gonna wait and let me know what's out. Yeah, when it drops, I'll check it out.
Kanye do I Kyle I've I've been a Kanye fans since like early like when he dropped his before College Dropout, what was it? The get well, mix tape that he put out when he did Through the Wire Etc back on and he was producing for like Beanie, Sigel, Jay Z etcetera, like Kanye both as a producer and as an artist and as a human being, I just think is dope. And I think he's, I think he's authentic and he always has been he's willing to go against the grain and he's done this from the beginning. You have to remember the 150 when Kanye came out that was like in the 50 Cent.
G-Unit era like that. Oh, yeah. That was
like, do the Dropout was not what he's doing
now? No, no, like he came out. You know, we're used to wear his backpack and his like polo shirts. And this one Hip Hop was like now hip-hop is some of it's a little fruity but like it you was like super ultra masculine and aggressive and whatever like DMX in like, you know, the Rough Riders and G-Unit and whatever and then Kanye just came out and he was rapping about, you know, I'm so self-conscious and Jesus walks and
really reminds me of
Is Chance the Rapper today. How Chance the Rapper kind of does something a little bit different than the mainstream. He really. He really just had a different
approach. Yeah, and I think it do know something that with Kanye is well, that's important. He's not like, it's not like he's the first rapper to do this, but I think the fact that he uses his real name is actually quite important. Mmm, right. And Hip-Hop. If you think back to pre Kanye, most rappers always had a
Persona. It was always a Persona Puff Daddy.
Yeah, right, but it
But it was it was all personas. Kanye was like, one of the first big artists who went again. I'm not the only one who I went by his real name. And I think that that actually matters. I think it actually makes a difference. I think even you as a Creator as an artist, I'm putting I put my music out under Zoo. Be like I am Zu B through and through like in my music and a podcast and whatever this is you be, it's not like, oh I step on the stage and I'm suddenly like Lil Z or like, I don't know what that was. That the other don't even know. I don't even know no idea what my
Name would be if I weren't actually named zubi. I've thought about, I don't know. Like young.
You ever think about getting a different name.
No, I was just on my name is already zoovie. Its unique. Yeah, I'll just be zubi, but I think it makes you more real like it lens when you're creating Z, what else is like, dig a little
Z? Or do you put Ze
like, what do you got some decisions to make it a little, you know, there was a young Z, young, Caesar, ever the
The things the problem though because like you're not always late, you'll you get older, right? But yeah, like it's
label is be short though.
Yeah, so I think I think what Kanye did is, you know, he bucked the trend, he bucked the trend on a lot of stuff. There's a lot that he that he's done, that people actually forget because people have short term memories. I mean, I remember when he made like quite a strong statement against the level of homophobia and Hip-Hop, right? This is back when rappers were just thrown around the f word willy-nilly and
You know, just all these gay slurs, whatever and Kanye was like, you know, what, like that's not cool. Like why are we, why are we doing that? And he got a quite a lot of backlash for that? Like it was a very this is because this is back in like 2003 or for whatever I this is before like now it's trendy and popular to its June. Let's rainbow everything up right? But that wasn't like a popular stance to take it. The time, particularly in hip-hop and actually made a difference. It made a difference like
After its I went yeah. Reflected a little and well, yeah, maybe like maybe we shouldn't just, you know, throw that word around so much right and people kind of forget that stuff, even a lot of people who will, it's acting like they forget he did this. He did that remember he did the George Bush doesn't care about black people think and like the song right after Hurricane Katrina and people are like yo like he just like whether or not and you know and George Bush like
Was that you he went on the defensive? He was like, no like I do but it made him sort of wake up. It was like, well, this hurricane just sort of swept through, you know, New Orleans Etc. And the response has not has been very lackluster, but stuff like that. It he just puts that out there. That's what he thought. It's what he felt. People can agree disagree, whatever. It's authentic, you know, and now with him even his conversion to Christianity and being like, you know, what? Like,
I'm a Christian and this is what I believe and this is what I stand for. And, you know, I'm not really, I'm going to stop performing some of my old songs because I don't actually like what they represent and now that I'm afraid, he's a father, what for children, right? And then he's like, yeah, you know, like I don't, I wouldn't want my kids listening to that, or whatever. So, that's just real men because it's hard to do that, especially if it would have an impact on your, your finances social standing, your cool Factor, whatever, you know, and he just doesn't care about that. Like Kanye is just
Well, I think he's cool because of
that. He's only Christian who can be rapping about Jesus, while wearing a bulletproof
vest.
There's complete. All right, next question, Bitcoin. What are your thoughts about Bitcoins future? I think
this is mad. I'm, I'm hypermiling. You got the shirt. I got the shirt on. I had to wrap it. I had to rough it on you, which podcast I was coming on, man. I'm I'm hyper bullish on bitcoin like in as a long term asset.
I think I think Bitcoin is going to do for money, what the internet has done for information. What social media has done for communication in the short term. I I look at Bitcoin as a longer-term investment. I don't look at it as just I'm not a traitor. I'm not there like every single day, trying to time the markets and catch the dips and you know, sell the tops etcetera, but I think every day becomes more obvious to
Why? It's such a good idea. Yeah, right, the more that governments debase their currencies, the more that they do this all the nonsense restrictions and infringement on rights and Liberties that they've been doing the more every time they pass these multi-trillion dollar bills every time that and this is on a global level as well. Right? Like not just the u.s. If you see what's going on around the world, I mean some currencies, I was in, I was in Turkey before coming to the u.s. Like in the Turkish leader. I got
Got got battered. And if you imagine one thing, I find interesting with Bitcoin is the way that it's viewed as such a high-risk investment or such a high-risk play. And most people don't understand how risky it is to just like, have all your money in cash. Right? Some people think the safest thing you can do is just have all your money in cash and put it in the bank. Don't buy stocks. Don't buy land, don't buy gold. Don't buy Bitcoin. Just keep your mind and I'm like that is guaranteed to drop guaranteed a
From now, hundred percent guarantee. If you keep your hundred thousand dollars in a bank million dollars in the bank. It's going to lose a lot of its value. Now, on a day-to-day level a month, a month level, you know, Bitcoin and goes up and down. He was like twenty thousand. Sixty thousand, forty thousand like, but if you look at it over a period of years, I know it's still relatively young compared to most asset classes, but I think it's to me, it's virtually get borrowing summons.
I don't know what could happen. But I think it's virtually guaranteed a decade from now, like Bitcoin is going to be worth like 5 years from now, is going to be worth considerably more than it is today. And I think from, it's interesting, from a technological standpoint, social political standpoint, economic everything it all. It just makes sense to me and the fact that it's so Global. We live in such a global world now and the internet has really done that and broken. All these barriers Etc.
The currency should do the same thing, right there. It shouldn't be incredibly difficult or extraordinarily expensive to send money from here to Australia or here to Nigeria or whatever it is. And I think that the younger generation people who, you know, people are aging younger who are coming up in the world. I think the a lot of people compare Bitcoin to gold and say no Bitcoin is digital gold. I think that it's
It's much easier to sell the concept of Bitcoin to a ten-year-old than gold, right? I mean, my nieces and nephews know what Bitcoin is because they see me wearing the t-shirts and stuff and they'll likely be one goes through the what's Bitcoin and I'll explain it to them and they're like, cool. Can you buy me some? And I'm like, actually, I will actually. Yes, I will. And we'll see. We'll see if we're correct here. So I think
Yeah, I think, I think Bitcoins big disrupter in a good way to the traditional Legacy old system of every, I mean, to be honest, the old old system, was better than what we have today, right? Of course. Yeah,
Teddy today's the 50-year anniversary.
I'll go to my uncle's dance-off. Yeah. Yeah
temporarily. We're we're going back. Don't
worry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so
And then, even if, you know, you think about it on a deeper level with, like, I mean, how are all these wars and stuff? How are they all funded? All of this nonsense that goes on. It's like, it's just because you can just make make make all this magic money. So I think that people en masse owning Bitcoin
is a
peaceful nonviolent protest and a vote to say actually, this is how we want to.
This is moving towards how we want to
operate.
I don't think I could have said it better. I think you know, the last thing on a bring up is Alexander Amin. I think is how you say it just said world of Zu. B is fire. Oh, thank you. So give us give us kind of a quick overview of world of zubi and where people can go.
Listen. I was sure. So yeah, my new album just came out worldwide on Friday. So it's called word of zubi. It is available on.
In Spotify, Apple music title Deezer, wherever you get your music, if you want to get a physical copy of got CDs available and you can also pre-order limited edition 12-inch purple vinyl from my website team Zoo b.com. So chips out worldwide. The vinyl is going to ship in Q4, but CDs are available now, so go to tmz.com or go on your favorite digital platform. Search zubi. Zubi. Why? And you will find me.
I've been dropping your website in the comments as we're going and I just
Put it in there again, Colton who who works with us on a bunch of employment. Business wants to know if zubir, Kanye was going to drop first, but you dropped first on on Friday. So you beat Kanye. He's like a gazillion weeks late. He he may never dropped the album. I think that might be the strategy
here. Well, I don't know Kanye's an unpredictable one
team Zoo b.com. I don't think I've ever seen you in person without wearing.
In the team's Ubi hat, but I do want to call out and I'll let you plug one other thing, which is the okay, dude. Oh,
yeah,
Explain real quick. What happened with the? Okay, dude? Okay, dude is like this is like the quintessential thing that I could point to but you want to exhume. He's like, here's your
things. Okay, dude is so I got. Um, so I got suspended temporarily on Twitter for literally writing. Okay, dude. In response to someone. So the full story is a
I'd written a list of five five ways, five tips for girls on hand, how to land a great guy. And the list went viral and a lot of people liked it. A lot of people didn't like it and someone it was a verified account responded back something like this is terrible advice and I bet I sleep with way more women than you and I literally just quote to eat it and said, okay dude, and that was it a week later.
I'm just going about my normal business a week later. I'm on a train back from London and I get an email from Twitter saying that your account you've been locked out of your account and it said, hateful conduct in the thing. It said, you know, you may not you may not attack People based on their race. Ethnicity sexuality, gender, identity religion, Etc. I'm like, I'm pretty sure I don't do that and then I was like this is this was the offending tweet and I look at it. It says okay, dude, and I'm like, wait what so initially I thought
Is this like a fake email or something? - yeah, so I go onto it and I'm, I don't you ever been locked out of Twitter. I'm I get a notification, just I'm, I'm locked out of my account and to get it access again. Like I'll have to delete it and then I'll be reinstated in like 24 or 48 hours. So I might know they've made a mistake here. So I made an appeal. I get an email back the next day saying we've manually reviewed this and we can confirm that your Tweet. In fact, did break our hateful conduct policy. So if you want to gain access to your account again, you have to delete the
Ending tweet. And so, you know, I wanted access to my hundreds of thousands of followers. So I deleted it but then I made a t-shirt there was a t-shirt printer near where I lived. I just made a t-shirt that said, okay, dude, and the first tweet I put back up by the way, free hashtag free, zubi and hashtag. Okay, dude. Started trending during my time off Twitter and then I came back and I just posted a video of me. Dancing wearing this t-shirt saying, okay dude on it. And everyone was I want that t-shirt. I want that t-shirt.
So I started just taking orders from them and ended up selling like hundreds and hundreds of. Okay, dude, t-shirts and hats and so it became a thing. And then I made a song called. Okay, dude, with a music video. It's actually one of my most popular songs now, so I just took it and turned it. That what could have been a bad
situation, dude. Don't get us cancelled off YouTube. We can't say. Okay, dude. That's yeah, you know, how blasphemous that is. You're really pushing the edge of societal acceptance.
He of a hundred thousand tweets off, put out there. That was the one that was the one they were like, nope. That crosses the line. That was the one. Okay, did. They've never told me which of those two words and maybe it was the, the Ellipsis at the end like the dot dot dot? I don't know.
It is.
Weird times we are living in I think it's how we can sum it up. If you go to Austin next. Yeah, I'm off to Austin this evening. All right, and you're going to be there for
about a week or so. Yeah. I'll be there for just over a week. Then. I'm going to Dallas Fort Worth Main NYC DC, Maui Lala Atlanta, Nashville and Raleigh and maybe some other spots.
Go follow Zu, B, @ ZB music on Twitter. I think the guilt
Doubt when you're going to do meet ups and stuff on
this, yeah. Yeah. I'll be going to try to treat or I'll definitely do a meet-up in Austin. I know I got a ton of fans in Austin I'll do. I'm going to try to do meetups in every city as long as I get the time to do it.
All right, I appreciate everyone watching. Hopefully we didn't offend you with all of our very scary independent thinking. Zubi is a very dangerous person.
He thinks too much for himself.
We must protect him at all costs. But at the same time,
I'm be very, very careful because he could hurt your brain. Make sure you smash the like button.
I'm not doing any more of these on Sunday. We will be back to regular programming starting tomorrow at 11 a.m. Kevin O'Leary is coming on and that should be interesting because Kevin was a crypto hater. Now. He's a crypto Enthusiast and, you know, this shark. So we'll see any last words for everybody. That's it. Man. I appreciate you brother. Of course, zubi, music on Twitter or teams.
B.com go. Listen, go by. Okay, dude. People now are responding to everything is. Okay,
dude, and
somehow that is going to now like permeate over and we're gonna use that. Is it your
birthday on Thursday?
Oh, all right. There's somebody said, happy birthday, zubi. So thank you. Happy birthday. Yeah. Wow, we're ahead of the curve amazing. First time ever. We usually were late for everything. As you saw with the live stream coming on 15 minutes late. That's my fault. Literally. We were watching
Stupid videos on YouTube. I'm an thanks so much for doing this. Appreciate it, bro.
