The Studies have shown that playing games is awesome. And you're the studies and that and that you're happy playing the games, but the Studies have shown that your satisfaction with playing the games, declines in your mid-to-late 20s, and then it starts to become less positive, and wholesome, and fun. And there's a lot of people are moving on. And by the way, like, I've seen this in people, I'm close to and the main reason for your all of a sudden clicking in and being like, okay, like I'm in the game. Less has happened to me too. Like I was gaming gaming, and then eventually was like, oh,
No, and, you know, like the single biggest thing for me was like, oh, I'm I'm going to try and date a woman, find a relationship. Yeah, and there was an instinctive part of me. That was like, I don't know if they're going to be in the gaming thing. I mean some women do accommodate. Yeah, so it drove me in a particular direction at that point. And so the Studies have shown that this is a very consistent
pattern, the social perks and incentives to not be gaming. All the time are pretty high at a certain
age. And so, that's the threshold time where if someone then Ventures out into the real world and let's say they find something,
Lately unwelcoming. And inhospitable then they'll be. They all right. Fuck that. And then go back to gaming and then and then the game you satisfaction will also decline over time. And then you know, like this is not a great track, right? When they go out in the world and they're like, okay. Hey, what's out here? Like, you know, do I have opportunities relationships progression? And they get that then they're like, okay, like I can, I can follow this. So when that boy or man reaches out, tries to head down that direction, what do they find? Yes, and if they don't find
I mean if they
put themselves out there and they find themselves rejected or embarrassed or question, their masculinity, or man, manhood, whatever it is they fail, then it seems a lot safer to go back to video games.
Sure.
This week on forward, the launch of Lobby three. What the heck is that? You can find out also trucker Convoy and Canada video games and boys so much more this week on forward.
Zach we are back and we are announcing something big and exciting the arrival of Lobby three, we've
been on the grind, we have been yeah, you're always kind of on a grind but I've been we've been doing some behind-the-scenes grinding
on this working on and so people who've worked with me for a while know that sometimes when I'm doing something I'm excited. I'm just like Hey, we're doing this. Yes, in this case. We've been working on it for a number of weeks and
Said, haven't talked about it openly until now. So what the heck is Lobby, three Lobby 3 is our effort to help explain web three Technologies and their potential to combat poverty to the folks in d.c. The regulator is the lawmakers to make sure that they don't do something that stifles this Innovation before. It can even really get going or reach its full potential.
Shal super pumped about it. And I want to retrace my steps through the last number of years. We're getting into crypto.
We are
we're entering the
metaverse. Is anyone surprised know if the headline is, Andrew Yang gets into web three.
I sort of had one foot in one foot out for a while though, as a political figure. I didn't go too far in because, you know, it was going to be over the heads of a lot of Voters and like they're a bunch of other things.
But my first major interaction with this community was speaking at conferences and events when I was running for president.
Consensus was one of the first ones,
right? Yes. Around there was a blockchain for good conference. I attended in San Francisco and meeting these people first. I was like, these are these are my people is like my tree where your people. Yeah, it was, it was very optimistic entrepreneurial like and nine out of ten of them were
Or some version of Ubi. Yes as
well. And I would say, the vast majority were like Yang, Yang or Yang adjacent? Although the vast majority probably didn't vote. No. We love you. If you had voted we might have been a different you might be having this conversation at Gracie Mansion.
Well, there might not have been that many and not actually true. But so my interactions with the community were always very energizing and invigorating. It became evident that if you're trying to combat
Poverty. This is maybe the single greatest opportunity that exists today because you've had hundreds of billions of dollars worth of value and thousands and thousands of jobs generated over the last number of months. Really surprising just about anyone. If you were to rewind the clock. Gosh, not even that many years writing, you know, five
years. Yep, I'd say so couple things. A lot of
folks.
So I found that people either turned on by crypto or bent or have been turned off right. Where you're like, this is the greatest thing in the world and they're down a rabbit hole and they're starting and ft projects on stuff or they're like screw this. It's a bubble. I don't understand. Well,
here's the thing. Yeah. So a lot of people interact with it in a very superficial way. The potential of the blockchain has been clear for a while where imagine you have. This is a technical term, but they talked about as a distributed Ledger, but let's imagine that
You had a slew of interactions that no one can affect or alter so that you can trust everything. And then, if anyone does make any kind of move, then it's evident for all to see. Correct. So, if you had that kind of system, you could vote securely, you can have completely different, broadly accessible Financial system. Yep. You could have a truly distributed internet. That's not controlled by a few Mega
corpse. You would take out a lot of middlemen.
You can get rid of and a lot of accountants and lawyers obsolete because there are a lot of major Professional Services firms that their primary value is papering up a transaction that if you could document it on the blockchain, then problem solved. I actually remember this. So I was an unhappy, corporate attorney for five months. You were in Investment Banking. Yeah. So I remember there was a big acquisition that we were papering up and at the end of the acquisition partner at the law.
Offer him had to sign something saying, hey, this is this is legally acceptable and that partner joked with me that that Converse that signature was worth a million bucks because really it was this very high-end Law Firm putting his name on the fact that this is kosher. This is legal. Everything's going to be fine like that, that firm placing its brand and reputation behind the legality of the transaction was, what was being paid for in many.
Anyways, so you end up not needing any of that because that could see for yourself. Yes,
legit.
Yes. So when you talk about the potential of this technology, it is vast and has been for quite some time. Yes. Now in terms of the applications and implementations to date have we reached that
level no nowhere near it, nowhere near nowhere near it. That's what's
exciting. And so what you're seeing now is a bunch of applications that people can look at and say, well, you know,
I'm unsure whether this is going to be what's built on this technology. Long-term. It's like a lot of other new technologies where they're going to be a slew of applications and implementations. Thank even for those of you remember this stuff when the internet first came out, there were like a ton of different websites, and then when the bubble popped, a lot of those websites went away, but you had some game changing companies like Amazon and PayPal.
Others that you know stood the test of time correct. Now, there's already been a couple of boom-bust Cycles in crypto, but there are going to be some game changing companies that come out of this 100%. Yes, and it will be. This isn't going away. It's
like that. What I'd say is this is you and I we were running for president. When like the early adopters were really getting in right. You still say it's the early adoption phase a bit, but they had Super Bowl commercials not that early anymore, but when we were running a lot of folks,
Getting into this and we're like, this is cool. Not sure what it is that sort of thing. And then we've been spending the last definitely last four months like hard like very intently in this space intensely in this space, but probably last six to eight months like really exploring it like at least
casual and and talk to the leaders in it and trying to figure out. Okay, what are the problems with the needs? Yes, and the single biggest problem that we heard over and over again. Was hey, we're concerned that the
Slater's and Regulators don't get us Washington. DC is going to mess this up. Yeah, I mean there was some language in the infrastructure bill that defined broker-dealer in a way that Encompass, essentially everyone Under the Sun, it made no sense. And if that were implemented, then it would really offshore a lot of this industry, which is exactly the opposite of what you want. Right? So, we heard over and over again, that the stories aren't being told, the use cases are being explained properly. There's a caricature.
About the people in the industry and what it's being used for. So the caricature is hey, this is all being used for illicit, drug deals and human trafficking, or the
people that are rich kid. That looks like me to sell his monkey
and the people that are using. It are either Bad actors or Tech Bros or people who haven't, you know, had any needs. Meanwhile in reality, when you start interacting with folks who are part of this community. There are a lot of
artists who are being compensated for their Creations, in a way that was completely, not possible before. And by the way, it is changed our lives from, you know, living hand-to-mouth or even in some cases living in their car. I
mean, you've got extreme cases where people were real homeless to like either millionaires, but you have a lot of artists are like, I'm able to fund my lifestyle now. Yeah, that's like the more average case than the extreme ones that were here
about sometimes. Yeah, and so there were a number of things that really work hand-in-hand with
The presidential campaign where one of the reasons why we were so Pro Universal, basic income is that it could give rise to creative economy. And that's what's happened with web three, in many cases. We also wanted to find a way to monetize different types of positive social actions because and this is linked even to the conversation. We've been having around men and boys and jobs and a bunch of other things where if you had a system of
Tokens and rewards and incentives for me volunteering in my community. Helping my niebuhr grandma taking care of grandma, working out, like, doing something positive for my mental health, like, you know, whatever it is, then you can create a new network and also set of structures that help give people men in particular, a degree of reinforcement and purpose, and fulfillment.
And so, this is something that I actually in this is funny on the presidential. So it's in my book and a lot of you read my book, the war on normal people and I called a digital social credits. Yep. And by the way, Zack is laughing because early in the campaign, he was like, you're not allowed to talk about digital social credit ever again because the Asian guy talking about digital social credit is just seems like, you know, frankly trying to social engineering and like, blah, blah,
blah. Also already far out. You know, I'm saying you'd already the free money.
A guy there Ubi you had a bunch of new ideas. And then this one was like so far out and we understood why you did it. Like if you ever talk to you, but it was just another thing you had to
explain. Yeah, so clearly the idea of digital social credits and tokens. It's already happening. Yes. Now in the metaverse with web 3 and crypto. So so there were a bunch of things that were super aligned about the vision and when the leaders in this community were to identify a need, some of them would say, you know, what,
Andrew, you'd actually be really good fit to help make this case because you were like a political actor who has relationships on both sides of the aisle and a public profile and what many of them did not know. But now they do know is that we had started an advocacy organization in DC that had been doing this sort of work around, anti-poverty measures like cash relief and enhance child tax credit. And so it really is a perfect fit because
This can be the next big step in fighting poverty. If and if we're able to demonstrate what these Technologies can do to enable. For example, like a poor neighborhood in Ohio or Washington DC to get access to financial services in a way that they couldn't before. And by the way, not just to access but I have some buying power,
right? So we looked at this space and we're like, how can we help and the first ones, like what? We could start a company here and do some cool stuff and let's I'll be honest like,
I think we do have both of us personally and together like there's some cool business ideas. Like the sky's the limit here, New Frontier, very exciting. But the biggest thing that was missing was like, that's where buddies going that. Well, it's called human greed or interest there. And what's missing is this? Well, I mean you're talking about. I mean you can Bank the world on blockchain in a way. We've never been able to do before, you can create value out of almost nothing, the right way, and incentivize certain behaviors and create communities.
We're talking about you've talking about tech that eliminates poverty. This is it, right. This is a close. As we're going to get probably In Our Lifetime. Who
knows? It can eliminate bureaucracy to and we all know how much I dislike doctors that. Yeah. So so that's why we went. Yeah, so there's a need and opportunity and we are filling it with Lobby 3. So if you are in the web three Community, please do check out Lobby 3. Join the Dow.
Join our Discord, and let's make the case together. If everything I just said, is Greek to you. Do not worry about it. Don't worry. Just know that we are trying to make it so that some of these Technologies and up improving people's lives in the real world as quickly as possible.
So we are going to Andrew is going to do, I'll help if I can. But Andrews going to do a probably a big circuit around like getting this to. We're going to go to the crypto Community, right? We're going to Denver this week to the youth conference. We're going to go.
On a number of shows and podcasts and Twitter spaces, we believe in meeting people where they are, right, but generally speaking I want to make sure I summarize this. So before we move is that we're going to make sure web 30 is reflective of the community voices. And the people's voices from an anti-poverty eradicate poverty lens in perspective. And so it's Lobby, 3, dot IO. You can check it all out. It's going to be fantastic. A launch today, super exciting. And
we could do a whole episode on it. We probably will get Carly on to do some dive ends, but we're not going to bore you with everything, because if you hate crypto, we don't want you to worry, you know, it's just not part of your life. Yeah, worries. Or if you hate lobbying, I don't know. Yeah,
it's a very wholesome project. I'm super excited about it. It has a potential to change millions of lives
better. Yeah, and I think you're like the crypto, the web three space doesn't have a lot of politicians like in their, it Marco Rubio. Came out was like, I love crypto. I'll be your crypto.
It just wouldn't work. Right. I do think you have a unique
role that. Yeah, and part of it too is you want to avoid it being politicized in particular way and this day and age, unfortunately of like someone comes out for it then some of this out. I'll be like, I don't like it. Yeah, so so scenes. Yeah, you'd like to just try and make the case in a positive Wholesome Way that look this is going to change people's eyes. The better already is. Yep.
It's a Lobby 3.i. Oh, it's going to be fun. Check it out. Join. The Discord will be in there. Carly's in there.
Bunch of friends are in there. Andrew Lang is in there. A couple, that's called crypto innovators and web. Three, innovators would be fun.
It's time to make the metaverse, a for Innovation. Keep all of that value generation right here in the US of a where it belongs. Don't offshore it to Parts Unknown. Let's keep it here. You give this community a voice in
Capitol Hill the right way. And the sky is I mean objectively the sky's the limit my
opinion. Well, right now, this is one of the biggest risks.
We're hanging the whole industry. It's like your look up and be like, what will regulations be. We're well past the point, where anyone in my opinion can expect a lack of Regulation or taxation. Correct? Like it's coming to. The question is, is it going to come in a benign transparent way, that balances the concerns? That's thoughtful, you know, because you have to two major things, one is is reduce risk, and the other is fuel Innovation and growth in new offerings. And
So if you get that balance wrong, you can destroy a ton of value. The entire industry does have in my opinion like, you know, like a discount or risk associated with it because people don't know your point where the regulatory could drop to zero at any point regime or it could be, you know, very, very extreme where the government's like. Hey, this stuff's illegal. So there's so much opportunity behind this technology. It's super exciting. Can't wait to help it.
It's potential if we can but the single biggest thing we can do is just convey broader, more realistic sense of both technology and the community to people in d.c.
We're going to dive in and like I
think we'll be able to educate some of this community about
how lobbying Works in from our experiences and experiences of the organization's. We work with but also will learn from them, realistically to. But if you're wondering, is this worth it, I think the question
Ask yourself is did Washington. D.c. Get web to write. Absolutely. Not like we're still reaping the paying the price for ineffective or bad regulation from the let's call it. The Facebook's and Google's and data sharing and things like your lack of data privacy and things like that. So if web 3 is that much more Innovative and scalable than the consequences will be that much more.
Worse and more ineffective more painful. So that's like where my head's at. It's like if they screwed it up, last time. We need it. We need at least try to prevent it from doing that.
Well, the, the glory of web 3 is that it naturally enables decentralization. Yeah, and and it's one reason why the government generally has this reflexive over reaction towards it. Yeah. And so, you know again just want to balance things like are there risks associated with it? Yes. Should there be taxation? Yes.
Um, but do you also want to make sure that Builders can build and innovators, can innovate and the job stay here. If you look at the risk reward, it's like the reward is enormous. And so you just have to try and have an intelligent way of both measuring and managing the risks as quickly as you can the reward
changes everything. That's what this
will be the rewards like, you know, it's infinite since yeah, it could easily be trillions of dollars millions of jobs.
We knew way millions of lives
improved doing things without having to wait for the government to do them like that. Some, you know, and, and that's where the government participation is, is key. Like, they're like, if they're not involved, but I say, if you're not at the table, you're on the menu.
You know, we talk about
the trucker Convoy in Canada.
Yes, because there's too much going on. In the news on this. I haven't hell's going on. I would have
thought that Canada would beat the United States. To a trucker
comes a great trucker riots that you predicted
happen 2017. 2018 happening in Canada for the same reason. I never would have guessed it. Do it does turn out that a significant percentage of the resources have come from the US FYI.
Yeah donations.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's
some solidarity happening.
So the Canadian government changed the rules around vaccination saying hey, if you're a trucker and you're Crossing back into Canada, you need to be vaccinated
right? Can't come back. You can't come out vaccinated,
right? So so there are a number of people that hate this rule. Yeah. Now bear in mind the vast majority of truckers are
vaccinated, correct and we have this rule in the u.s. Like the rule itself. Apparently is not
The root. It's the, the Catalyst, but there's other issues besides this specific
rule. So a number of truckers have protested, their demands are well beyond this vaccine mandate though. Like it's generally you could consider it something like of an anti-government
protest. It's like 8 to 10,000 truckers or so, maybe.
Yeah, a lot of them brought their families so that their Starling up traffic. They are disrupting international trade routes. I have been to the Ambassador.
Edge, which is the bridge between Michigan and Canada, is the largest single like, Ottawa or
delusions, right? There are their main and they're mainly in downtown Ottawa and then they're blocking basically Michigan and Detroit and Otto has like main trade route,
right? Yeah, on my friend, Steven marshes was reporting directly from the protest. I wasn't really. Yeah. He that's he lives in Toronto and they're hard for him protesters right there. Okay.
So the protests have been going on for a while. They've been extraordinarily disruptive Canada has something of a different interaction than we do where virtually no mainstream Canadian politician is for this. None, none. It's not like you can imagine it here in the US where it would be polarized. And even now mean a bunch of the mainstream conservative Outlets like Fox and whatnot are essentially Pro truckers. Yep, but there's not an equivalent up in
And I think the disapproval rating of these protesters and like the 70 to 75 percent range like most Canadians like what are you doing?
It's a more liberal country, right? Generally compared to the United
States. So yeah, it's got a different set of relationships where the state has a bigger role in your life. So I'll give you an example. When covid hit the Canadian government was like, hey, let's give people some money, but it wasn't the way that we did it, where they pumped it out through the IRS, it
Do you like set up a website and was like, once a money like take it? Yeah, you know, like they have that kind of relationship where people wear if you were in need, you could go and get it and they just issued money hand over fist the health care provided by the government. Yep, education free through college, you know, if you go to these universities, so it's a much bigger part of your life as a result. I think that the general sentiment against these protests is
Is much higher than maybe would be here in the US. Even you know, I'm going to suggest 70 to 75 percent disapproval of the these protests is pretty high and we have anything in this country that you can get 70 75 percent on. Yeah, like it'd be tough. So what does it all mean? The first thing is the direct impact of these protests themselves. Which by the way, are significant enough, where they're screwing up the supply chain for a whole number of things. It's not great. I had a
A friend who had his purchased item, which was significant was like an automobile or
something already, like
delayed as a result of this and things like that. Like that. Like it's having an impact already. You've got
companies cutting shifts and stuff too. It's not just people ordering, it's folks that make these products. If yeah, you can't get certain parts. They don't try and build it that day and people who shifts it was income. Yams level.
Will there be a copycat convoys in other parts of the world completely there already are? Yeah, they're not major but it's
like there's one.
Zealand. There's one I was reading about that when they're small and they're not major yet. But yes there will. And there haven't really happened in the u.s. Yet. Although there's Rumblings.
Yes, so that that's another phenomenon that I think you can foresee. Like if you were to say will there be a significant protest in America? That's LED By Truckers in a similar way over the next, you know, like, you know number of months you'd have to say almost certainly. Yes. Canada is.
Anse to it has been interesting to where they're completely against exceeding to any of the demands and most people just want them to break it up. So they're taking some relatively Extreme Measures where Trudeau is relying upon something around. Like a War Powers Act. Essentially. Yes, saying we're going to do whatever it takes including freezing assets, potential physical removal.
And the public is behind
him. Yeah, it's they're not fucking around in terms of their stance against this. And, I mean, they mean, it Canadian government. Now, do you have a sense of what they're protesting? Because it's not just that mandate for truckers. It seems to be a little bit bigger, but still related to covid
a sense of marginalization among people, who feel like their point of views. Ignored, people are very passionately against being forced to
Vaccinate, you know, and so that's the trucker's directly. Now. One of the things that is happening, that is very, very upsetting to me, is that there are some people with very extreme points of view, who are among the thousands of truckers, who are flying, no hate symbols. And the
rest of there was a small group of swastika swinging Confederate flag, swinging, protesters. And then they did. I think they pulled out about 13. Maybe a few more weapons from this is, I mean, of
Thousand not a lot but still
so one of the things that happens in these episodes is that you will seize upon someone among the group and say, see this is a bunch of hate-filled. Yes. Extremists with weapons, the rest of it and by and large, according to Steven, who's physically been proximate to these things. They're peaceful kids are walking by. Like, this is not like, you know, like something where
In a way, you could try to be like, it's still Canadian. It
is quick aside, but I think it's important. What's the difference between what you're talking about here, you've got a group of truckers and truck, our supporters, 8 to 10,000 and there's a small subset that are fucking racist.
Right? Well, one of the things that happens is any time you have a conflict or demonstration or protester, or some kind extreme, melons will show
up. Oh, that came out of the woodwork. Like it's yeah. It's like why weird people are out on Halloween to. It's like, you can get the opportunity for the crazies to come out. They're going to take it,
right. This is why you
Was going to happen to the u.s. In some form. Because as soon as someone plants the flag, there are some people be like, oh, it's go time. Right?
So you have this and this is called let's call. This is what the right looks like when they have a
protest but and this is in many ways, the strains you have to pull apart, which is that they're going to be some people with very, very extreme. Ideologies are looking for a fight. But until your Temptation then is to invalidate, whatever the Genesis is of the protest and say, well, you're all terrible.
All right. What are they can? There can be the seeds of something. Very reasonable and even sympathetic. Yes, but then it ends up getting twisted particularly by news media accounts. Now, let me
ask is this similar to what we saw with the George Floyd protests in the black lives matter protest, where you had a large swath of people that were for like we're against police brutality. Like this has to stop. We need fundamental change and systematic Justice Reform in this country, but then you also had people looting and
Burning buildings throughout and the right was saying, we'll look at these assholes. They're lighting our stores on fire and we can't stand for this. And the left was saying they're
mostly vast, vast majority of Peace protest,
right? Same thing. Like what's the destruction of property? Sounds like a line there like to me.
I like saying things are the same, but I do like having a line, you know, where a swastika that's fucked up, but you're always have that fucked-up person. Are they hurting anyone at a destructing? Like, where's that? And on the left? I don't mind crazies being out there per se, but if they're lighting things on fire and destroying property and
business, so that's one of the problems that, if your ideologically opposed, you tend to look at it and then attribute, whatever the heck the, yeah - here sadness of it. Yeah. Where, you know, most of the people who are showing up to these
Protesting Canada are apparently again, perfectly peaceful. Lot of them have kids with themselves. So, you know that there are I'm sure people that if you met in person you'd be like, oh, this person's like reasonable and sympathetic. Yep. The same is going to be true here in the US. There's going to be some legitimate Gathering, and then it's going to become dark. Pretty
quick to me, is kind of we're saying, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Like what's the core here? Right? Like
The majority of people upset about and like what's the common ground in my you know, and that's an on both both sides, right? Barry Weiss has a sub stack so bear you were on her pod six months ago or so, but she did. She's one of the best folks right. Now. I find in doing like objective journalism in written form and she finds other journalists that are great too, but she had a sub stack that will plug here, but it's Rupa. I'm a apologies to her for. I think it's her for messing up.
Up the last name, but super mine Manya. But the the article on her got her Common Sense, sub stack was called what the trucker's want and She interviewed. They interviewed dozens probably hundreds. It said, you know, they talked to hundreds of truckers and protesters there and you know, the takeaway was there are plenty of anti-vaxxers and people are like that but a lot of them are very reasonable. People feel hurt the left behind and think this is the only thing they can do. How do we avoid this?
Solve this, what is the government to do? What do you think?
I think the, the single biggest takeaway is that if we can happen in Canada, I can certainly happen just about anywhere that's true and that, if and that it's going to happen to this, gal Canada. So that the u.s. Prides itself on doing things, bigger and better. I think we're going to do it bigger and better. But when I say better, I mean worse, I mean, bigger and like better
from a like a sensational point of view.
Well, there will be an order of magnitude. Yeah.
Larger Gathering
What do you think on? This is this
from a guy wrote about trucker
convoys and capacity, are somewhat of an expert on the.
I thought it was going to be because we're automating the jobs way. I did not predict that it was going to be because there's a pandemic that they didn't want to be vaccinated
against. This is where I struggle because I think they're, if you have a certain type and this is a small case. I don't know how big the population is. But if you have a medical condition where you are like, high risk, High variance for a variety of reasons. Getting the
Seen yourself is a risk, right? It's a risk. It could kill you. It could have massively negative side effects, things like that. And that does not make you anti-vaxxer. You can be the most liberal person in the world, right? And you can have that. But if that's the case and you work in a corporate office, who has a map, a vaccine policy, you've got to got two options. You're going to get publicly shamed because and not like so bad at the beginning. But you're going to have to wear your mask and everyone else won't be. And they're going to be more and more restrictions put on you.
Feel awkward. You'll feel isolated. You'll feel like I guess a trump supporter, right? Like, no amount of virtue. Signaling can make people feel like, you're not an anti-vaxxer, not on their team or you live like you. So you either live like that as Option 1 or option two, you have to find a job like you have to either work for home or quit, right? And that's a number of the folks that in Barry Weiss's in that sub stack we're talking about, where people like I feel like my lifestyle has changed just because I couldn't in many of them couldn't or didn't want to get the VAC so there.
Religious reasons, or medical reasons to me that can fuel like irrational, thoughts around it. But there's a core rationality there. That does make sense to me, as someone who's pro-vaccine. What are your thoughts on how you avoid that? Prevent that handle that? Some governments, the K. There's a small government right now in Canada. That's like, we're just going to come to a truce here. Like we're going to get rid of the Saskatchewan, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was a city. Sorry, right. Or like a part of this. Yeah.
What do you think on that? Because I, you know, this is this is kind of the Crux of it. I think you get rid of that. You can actually diffuse a lot of this bomb.
Well, the the tough part is, if you are a company or your estate, your interest is in trying to maximize adoption. And so, if you start being like a reasonable exception will be made, your doctor is going to be lower. Yes. Yeah. And ago and so your incentives are to be like, look, we're going to do this thing and there are significant number.
People who can be moved that direction and then they're going to be some people that are like doesn't matter what you say or do I'm not going to do it. So this happened in New York City. I don't know if you saw the story where there was a mandate for city employees. Yeah, and then
Eric Adams just announce. He fired a
bunch. I think it was something like 1,400 1,500 were fired. Now, one of the byproducts of the policy was that another, you know, several thousand who
Didn't want to get vaccinated did get vaccinated right because they're like hey, I don't feel like not working fired like not worth it. Then they are vaccinated and then you have these people lose their job. So in a way the policy achieved its goal which is hey we got adoption up and then there are these 1,400 people that were like, doesn't matter job not worth it to me. Like I will go. So if you're a government or a very large company, these measures make policies.
It's and it's easier to increase adoption. If you take that line, then if you're like, well, it's do a case by case because case you might see is a lot of people will be like, well, you know, I I don't want to do it. And here are some reasons why and etcetera
etcetera.
You had a prediction this year, which I think I agree. I agree with that. Covid-19 the end of the year. Yes, but over was Loosely defined, right. And intentionally like Define over.
Oh there will still be covid my boy where, you know, we're not going over, you know, we won't be restricting our own behaviors as much, you know, we will be gathering. Are
we?
Creating a new subset of extremes on the left and the right here. Like are there going to be folks that forever or the next 10? 20 years? It's always wearing masks and then on the right like never doing anything. The government says, like are we or is this something? Maybe it's because it's the attention economy. Like something else will become the Boogeyman and a year or so,
we're certainly radicalizing people right now in a way that's going to last and we're traumatizing people. Don't ask me the last damn in both. Those things are true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like, you know, one thing I'll say to as an Asian-American. Yeah.
Asians were wearing masks pre covid repeatedly, if you've ever been absolutely there. Yeah,
so and not in the eye as well, some of the United States, but mainly in
mainly in Asia, right? Where they just wore a mask for Giggles
SARS is a real thing, right?
Yeah. So, so here are the reasons why Asians were masks one. Is that some of the places, a lot of pollution? So
yeah, smog
another, is that it is considerate to your neighbors in any
Moment in time because hey, if I have a cold I can't affect you. That's true. Now so that these were the reasons why also I think Asian culture prioritized less that I'm like, you know, greeting you with a smile kind of thing. Like, it's not, you know, it's not as big a deal. Okay. So in Asian culture, master account plays anyway, like, if you fast forward here in the United States X years from now, like, they'll be a subset of people wearing masks are masks. Yeah.
Yeah, I hate it. Okay.
A lot of kids, don't even remember not wearing a mask. Yeah, that makes sense which by the way, terrible for their development, terrible for their Social
Development. Yeah, two kids in Asia, where the masks or it's only adults? Mainly adults. Think kids
were, I'm too if you're like on the subway want
not great. Yeah, the numbers on. This are awful and then I don't know if your kid does the other thing we watched you watch the Super Bowl and assuming I you live tweeted the Super Bowl was fun. Congratulations to our folks. In lala. You probably didn't know you had a football team. So yes, so
Sunday but we don't care. Congrats. Sorry for the Cincinnati fans. If you're a kid in La, you've got a mask requirement in your school, but you watch Super Bowl and see all of these celebrities and people and your leaders. If you're old enough to understand who the mayor of La is not wearing masks in there. Is that teaching the wrong message? I don't know if you talk to your boys about this and things like that. I
think we are past the point where mask in schools make sense.
Yeah, from the data, the fact is that kids risk themselves very low and if you're a teacher and want to be protected from transmission, it's more important that you're wearing a mask and the kids are wearing a mask. Right? And it does have a negative impact on kids, ability to learn and their Social Development. Yeah, so I think we should move Beyond masks in schools. But you know that their individual communities are making a different choice.
I am.
To certain communities. Having it's like anything is why we have States, right? Like if certain communities want to make their own laws on that. You people do have relative flexibility to move school districts in places. Although it gets ugly as you as you find out, you know, anyway, the last take away on the, the Canadian trucker Convoy is that I've read a lot of press that it's a far-right movement and I don't think that's fully accurate in, or it's not particularly just an anti-vaccine movement. It's a back.
Anti-vaxxer mandate movement, I believe, but doesn't seem, I think I'm wondering if you agree with me. It doesn't seem that. It's far, right? It may be conservative. I think based on government are Depends. It depends on how
you define far-right. I would characterize it as something of an anti-government. Okay? Protests. And is that the same thing as far, right? Like in some quarters, maybe court has less.
Oh, yeah. Occupy Wall Street was anti-establishment establishment and that came from the left. I guess. Yeah. That got weird.
And I'm assuming this Convoy will get weird right on the wall. I'm sure many would say it. If it was summer it would be weirder. But it's I think I'm
pretty sure according to someone who's physically been and it's like it's
already pretty. It's
like there's a lot of weirdness here in the US and characterizing something is weird, doesn't necessarily mean it's not human. Sympathetic, etc. Etc. You know, I mean like that's one of the big problems with today is that if you introduce me and this is my friend.
Stephenson when he wrote an article about, it's like you'd like he met these people or he saw them and they were, you know, keep disrupting the the neighborhood being you should kids. Couldn't sleep like Dada then he felt this like anger and derision towards them but then he, you know, he's commenting on a self-aware way is that there's like a real impulse for us to regard people in a certain situation or light and then say and then feel that like anger or even worse like
Gust. And I think that dehumanization is really to be avoided in oneself. If you can. One of the things too, it's like they're different forms of marginalization. And this is one of the biggest problems in American life. Right now is like, their their forms of marginalization that certain segments of society will be like, oh, we should care a great deal about this form of marginalization. Yes, let's call it gender. Race sexual orientation something on those lines. Yeah, and then they'd be like, let's take this person who might be
Impoverished might be like uneducated might have very little in the way of opportunities, but they're from a particular part of the country. They were particular affiliation may be a certain set of political beliefs and that person's marginalized to in their way. Like, if you grow up poor in Appalachia, like, I'm gonna suggest like, you know, you're having a rough and that type of marginalization, like, not,
That at all right, in the center at least of the same group of people, right? I mean recently, I published an op-ed about men and boys struggling. Yeah. This is a group that is not viewed sympathetically, right? Arm, always hold and women or even though by the Numbers tons of adversity, tons of failure, you know, only 40 point five percent of college students, less likely to finish High School, five times more likely to be in juvenile detention like, you know, the facts are very consistent and
Troubling. Now, I would never go so far as to say, like men are marginalized in the same way. It's like that, like that. That's not the suggestion. But if you were to show me someone who frankly, like grew up in a poor part of the country and would never have a chance to advance meaningfully regardless of their, their race, I'd be like, yeah, that person, you know, a person has a tough and this is what happened to me on the presidential to is that I would occasionally comment on, for example, the plight of
People in rural communities. And which, by the way, those commuters are being decimated and, and then, and people would then attack me as being like, all right, white supremacist. And it's like, I was not aware that you could be concerned about opiate deaths in rural communities and like, all of a sudden that translates to, you know, white supremacy. Yep, and that's one of the problems with the ideological polarization. They're going to be extremes that come out of this and they're going to be people that find those extremes.
Really, really unsympathetic. And it's one reason why, you know, we should be deeply concerned about what's
coming. Well, it's in reading the way Trudeau is handling this in the Canadian government is handling this and then reading stories from folks on the ground. My thought was this seems like a lack of empathy. We're okay, maybe a whole chunk of these folks don't like the government or our, don't like this law and it's 20% of your country.
It's still 20 percent of the human beings that are citizens in your country. And the left. I thought was supposed to be known for empathy and we're going, it's going the other way.
Well, this in Canada, there's also like a high premium placed on not raising a Ruckus and doing all the stuff that people are kind of
fair. Canadians are nice generally speaking nicer than us.
This is what my Canadian friend Steven suggested. It was like look like we don't get mad in the same way, but like with like,
When people are fouling things up like this like actually like a reservoir of. Yeah, I get it I guess right. I mean, I understand they do it. They have a different relationship with their own Society. We do there is like a higher level of trust and and then. So if someone's heading the other direction that I think there's like a
fall in line or
stop. Where is in the US? This is one of the fundamental problems. Like the trust is really really low. So if someone's like, hey screw you, you're full of it, done it all.
Like, you know, almost 50% of Americans. But yeah, so it's a,
it's in our DNA. In a sense that the country started as a revolution, right? It's, you know, we split up. I mean I in some way everybody who came here was getting away from some sort of Freedom. Yeah, totalitarian XYZ, right? Some overreach in some or opportunity upside, right? That's and that's that. The country story gets told to every child, right whether through their parents or the school. So that's
And that's why a lot of people across the world. They feel pride in their country, those shared stories and these are real measurable things in many ways. Right? So we'll see you this happens. Yeah, bold prediction, you know, we'll have our own trucker convoys, that will be bigger and probably way more destructive and probably over nothing to do with Trucking. If
we wait long enough, they'll something to do with Trucking.
A topic, we got a lot of comments on the YouTube section was video games and men, and I was looking up numbers video. Games have been more and more appealing to women are like not that they're more appealing, hold bar, but it's about 50% of Gamers. 55% of gamers are men. 45 percent women and that's fluctuated but generally going up. But I do think men fill a void more than women are filling a void.
They're with their gaming and video games. So I don't know if you grew up gaming a bit. Yes. Did you use? Did you ever see it as part of your identity in that sense or part of your masculinity? It's like weird deep question, but I'm curious. Oh, yeah, for
sure. So, I grew up playing, Atari 2600, and then ColecoVision, and then Nintendo. What's ColecoVision hadn't art? It was, it was an interim platform. Didn't last long. What was your favorite?
Or Canyons Street Fighter 2 Mortal Kombat a lot of the combat games. So when you talk about my masculinity, part of my identity was that I was very, very good at Street Fighter 2 as well as like I would beat people
you again. You are notorious amongst your friends or being that good.
Yes, and then if someone came and beat me it was like a real blow to my ego. So interesting. So and then I did play the crown.
Do. What's that on
Street Fighter? 2 is an arcade game, 'ow, so I'd actually go to arcades in play and
In Warcraft, Starcraft. There are the real time strategy computer, right? And then that became World of Warcraft, which is a massive multiplayer online role-playing game. So I did, I played World of Warcraft enough to understand the appeal and love it, but not enough. So that I went that deep into it and that generation of game, then has become the Mainstay standard where you go, DotA.
Which is another similar game in some ways, you know, yelling me and I compared DOTA World of Warcraft III, you know,
they high-level concept is similar, right? Is where you're saying that the?
Yeah, so you log on you have a person who can level up progressively you play with other real humans who you interact with and so it can give you community and advancement and structure and purpose and like a lot.
Other things people play video games with that in a healthy amount and I don't get addicted which at that's also a thing. But they get their better social skills. They have better mental health as a number of things which I don't. We could talk about but that's not really the point keep going. Sorry.
No, so so I played enough video games to love them and there was an extended period in my life where I thought anytime I was going to have lots of time on my hands. I be like, oh, I'd play a bunch of video games. Got it now that
That I don't miss is not happened to me because I've just been freaking busy for like, a long time, but I felt like I got games to a higher degree than maybe someone who hadn't spent years playing them. Right? And I understand their deep appeal to boys and men, because they're the kind of things that give you the positive feedback that you seek almost all the
Where if I put time in, I'm going to get better. I'm going to gain stature. I'm going to get relationships, like, you know, I almost can't help, but it but gain those things. So, whereas, if you do a job, you know, sometimes the positive feedback or reinforcement, doesn't follow the
effort. That's the Crux. That's actually what I'm talking about in that. I think a lot of people are equating male idleness. And it sends a b tends to be male idleness, but I guess you could have female.
- too, but I don't miss with
gaming. Well, so this is one thing to that, you know, it is a documented fact, women deal with idleness better than men do correct? In terms of evidence pro-social behaviors exhibit. One out of work women much more likely to go back to school and out of workmen.
Have you ever had anyone fight you on that? I think that's
anecdotally. No. No, those are, which is a documented fact.
Oh, yeah, my boys, like, even, but, like, I don't think that cuts against a narrative, we all see every day, like I think most like
I know and they go to, yeah, they kind of self destruct, right? It's where they go through a rough spot. How many times, you know, exact going through a rough patch over a
girl. Well, so jobless jobless guys. Number one, they volunteer at lower levels than guys who have jobs. So think about that. I have more time. I volunteer less. Yep. My video game computer use consumption goes up. Yep. My alcohol consumption goes up. Yep. My levels of drug use and gambling go up. So, pretty much any social you can identify is going to go up
if you give us more time, if you give us more time.
I'm God, there's a world where video games are massively positive because they're keeping men from becoming idle. In a sense. Like I have a number of friends from a couple. I'll speak one in particular. Like he's a, he's a successful teacher. His wife works. He's got a bunch of kids. They take a couple vacations a year. He's got a pretty good life, but I imagine like the job is like remotely fulfilling like it's fine, but he loves the game and that gives him his own like different things. He's not getting in the real world, right? Where it's like different type of
Community new people, the sense of development purpose and goal setting and things like that in my opinion. You'd rather have my friend like that focusing on a video game then trying to get those sense of purpose and accomplishment and goal setting in some of the more destructive ways. He could be spending his time. He probably be gambling, which could be gambling. It could be drinking, we look, you could get the same amount of fulfillment with a Bible study or a group of guys hanging out watching sports and other things right? Good? He could.
Also get them from awful things, right? Or just not get them
or just not go, then I do. And then, if he doesn't get them, then you come out in certain ways. Yeah. Yeah, it probably would.
And I think, I don't think we talked about that enough, right? Because I think there's an imp, there's a connotation that, if you're playing video games, you're not being productive. And I know that I play sports video games, like I or
my brother, and I was one. My favorite things to do when I was living with my roommate here in New York. We'd come back and play.
Be a 2K. Yes, in college. I played fisa fun all the time. I play Madden. Now. I love it. My Brother Love's, FIFA my brother and I so my growing up my brother and I we love video games. We were like boys kids in the 90's early 2000's. So like Wayne Gretzky's 3D hockey and then was one of my first like I think those N64. My brother loved Donkey Kong, all Nintendo games and mainly, he was exceptional at most Mario games. So there was a period of time where he like, had a summer off and he was
Globally ranked in Mario Kart, like on the Wii. That's crazy. Nicholas is year younger than me. He was like 22 when he did but and we still have fun playing video games or once a while. But if you're just playing like that, like either Mario racing or like FIFA or stuff you, there's an argument that that's kind of idleness because it's not a lot of social interaction. There's not a lot of team building. It's very different than Call of Duty or World of Warcraft, or some of these others. And I think we probably
We should understand the difference because you can't have guys just rotting some of them. Maybe have a twitch stream and it found a way to monetize it. But most don't I imagine by the numbers is the solution for these types of men, either. Better video games, right? If they're just like shitting around on FIFA all the time. Is it better for them to be playing a different type of community game to get some purpose and fulfillment, or should we be happy that these men are
I mean, frankly, not shooting up schools and not going into Dark YouTube rabbit, holes and getting
polarized. And I think of you play a game, like FIFA that self-contained and isn't like part of this massive Universe. I think it's just as healthy in a way. It might be like a lower commitment because you just go, you know, that's true. But yeah, it's a matches. And then you're like, you know, you go back where I was, if you do Join one of these massive multiplayer online role-playing games, it can be a real commitment.
It's like half asset. Yeah, you dip your toe in and then you're behind everyone else. Like they're all super power and you're like, ah, so now we're then when people find you, you're there like why don't you have any upgrades? Is? No, I suck. Yeah,
and they're sucking your wallet too. Because it's
got a yeah, exactly. So so. So I think different games suit different ends. I do think that you could design games to be able to serve certain goals right now the
Like a well-designed game gets you hooked because you are developing relatively quickly and directly. I think there's probably a sweet spot in terms of the consumption of these games. There is a tendency to over-consume for certain folks. You know, China has just cracked down on the hours where line eliminate, right? They Limited in a way that years is people here would be like that. That's crazy. I think the rule is that you're only allowed to gameplay for something like 3 hours a week.
You know that someone can look it up this, which by the way, is essentially, the polar opposite of what was going on. Like, people were, I think gaming for a, you know, 50 hours a week and then it just somehow got very, very quickly turn around. Imagine working in that industry.
They announce this, at the end of August delimit Gamers, under the age of 18 to playing only between the hours of 8:00 p.m. And 9:00 p.m. On Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.
Oh, yeah. Three hours after the right. Nice. So that's for minors. So that's under the age of 18. It sounds like a
After you turn 18, then all bets are off. I'm not sure if that's true here in the u.s. Is just whatever. Serves the markets interests. Yeah, is the major default. And then if you get in the way of that, that everyone gets mad. So right now, obviously the game gaming companies would very much dislike having a limit on how much minors can play. Oh, yeah.
So is there a sweet spot? I think you know, I mean, it seems like you know, the u.s. Is probably a one extreme where there are a lot of miners. I'm sure that are addicted to games in a way that and it is likely making it less likely that they go out and succeed and prosper in the real world.
I'm sure some of these games replace certain parental figures. If you have a lot of a lot of kids, broken homes and like the video game becomes the either their Community or where they learn, right and wrong. And other things are not learning from Mom or Dad. Do you have advice for parents? What you've done for your boys to help them navigate? Let's call it the addictiveness of video games or screen time, or things like that. So
first, let me say, I'm not the role model on this. Where a, my kids love them. Some Roblox.
And they would prise it over any other way to spend their time. No, I think that the best thing you could do in an ideal world would be to spend spend time with them in Pursuits that get them out about and build confidence in different ways, but that's not realistic for a lot of parents and families because you're working you're busy, you know, like the easiest thing is just to give the kid a screen and have
Them. And by the way, they're happier with you. And so you're like, yeah. And you know, and then, you know, what you do, you turn on your own screen, you're like, oh, I guess I'll catch up on, you know, some stuff. You
said this, on the trail that parents are outgunned. My parents used to, my dad was Engineers was very systematic, but we used to have, like, reward systems. So if I, it was as simple, sometimes if I read for 30 minutes or if I clean the bathrooms, or if I did x y z chores, then I would earn a certain amount of TV time, which was good.
But the format my brother and I was like we try to get my parents when they would like forget to enforce the limit. So it's like oh you get 30 minutes of TV time and if I bomb got distracted with something else, I'd squeeze that into a 45 or an hour or try and that's the hardest. Part is like parenting. It's hand combat, you know, it's like it's it's difficult and you like we're wired to in this way. You know, you want your kid to have some screen time and you need some as well. So it's tough to set a good example to it is tough.
So the signal,
The biggest thing you should be pushing for yourself, or your kids, or whomever loved ones is just a sense of moderation. Now, the, the ideal thing, and this has happened to you, or to me, where the real world demand stuff of you in a me. And so you're like, getting pulled in that way. So it was not realistic for me to frankly, like, you know, play games for like X hours a day. Like now, because I have all these demands. Now if you were to get rid of all these demands and all of a sudden and below. So so,
In many ways, the the challenge is to make the real world, more demanding of a draw, your more relationships, more needs and whatnot, or at least in tandem with the gaming and the virtual world
and the upside of the metaverse, theoretically, right?
Yeah, you know there are and to your point. I mean this isn't like a pure good pure bad. It's just like, can it be something that there's too much of? Yes, you know, like if you can moderate something,
Thing and make it a part of your life. The way your friend has or whatnot. I think that's reasonable goal for us to set.
Yeah. I think it's something interesting. If men aren't getting that sort of purpose their reasoning.
Well, here's what the Studies have shown in Studies have shown that playing games is awesome. And you decide he's and that and that you're happy playing the games, but the Studies have shown that your satisfaction with playing the games, declines in your mid-to-late 20s, and then it starts to
Come less positive, and wholesome, and fun. And there's a lot of people are moving on. And by the way, like, I've seen this in people, I'm close to and the main reason for your all of a sudden clicking in and being like, okay, like I'm in the game last has happened to me too. Like I was gaming gaming and then eventually was like, oh no. And, you know, like the single biggest thing for me was like, oh I'm I'm going to try and date a woman, find a relationship. Yeah, and there was an instinctive part of me. That was like, I don't know if they're going to be in the gaming thing. I mean some women do accommodate. Yeah, so it drove me in a particular direction.
At that point. And so, the Studies have shown that this is a very consistent
pattern. Social perks incentives to not be gaming. All the time are pretty high at a certain
age. And so, that's the threshold time where if someone then Ventures out into the real world and let's say they find something completely unwelcoming and hospitable than they'll be, they all right. Fuck that. And then go back to gaming and then and then the game you satisfaction will also decline over time. And then, you know, like this is not a great track, right? When they go out into the world. And they're like, okay. Hey, what's out here?
You know, do I have opportunities relationships progression? And they get that then they're like, okay, like I can I can follow this. So when that boy or man reaches out and tries to head down that direction, what do they find? Yes, and if they don't find, I mean they put
themselves out there and they find themselves rejected or embarrassed or question, their masculinity, or man? Manhood, whatever it is they fail, then it seems a lot safer to go back to video games. Sure. That doesn't mean some of these
Video games aren't like productive and helpful and I can learn certain things. But it's also like over time that they have diminishing marginal returns, right? It's not great. It's not a great outcome for. Yeah. I had a chapter on this,
that if you want, if you're looking for this like the Articles posted somewhere, but there's a chapter in the war. On normal people called video games and the print that achill male meaning of life. Yeah. It is going to be a growing force in people's lives, particularly here in America, you know, we have to try and make it as positive as possible. Make the real world as positive as possible.
More and make them a
diverse as positive as possible. Right? I mean, the way I see it. You have to give them better options than video games or you have to make the video games connect to real life more, right? You might have some for-profit incentives for the ladder there.
And again, if there's a loved one, or you yourself just try and play in moderation, you know, it's like you play. Amen, you know my test when I was gaming, have I been frozen in position for so long that I have a body part that hurts.
Very logical of you. Yeah. Yeah. I have the same. I am or am I hurting myself tomorrow by playing today? There's like a big. It's the delayed gratification. It's a marshmallow test for kids that I think is important, right, you know, heard this one where it's
yeah, we delayed gratification and give you
one marshmallow now or two and five minutes
tell you for the, for those of you at home who remember this stuff finding in, no one does whatever. I had a callus on my left hand from doing the. Are you Ken Street Fighter 2 motion, so
Because it involves a joystick in a semi-circle to the right. I did it so many times going on that. I developed a callus below. My left middle finger and I'm touching it right now to see if it's still there. It's still there. I mean, maybe you should have you touching to see, dude. I think it's still there. You can see it, comparably the left to the right
hand. Right? Look at that, man. That's your video game scars.
My video game. Countless point of Pride man, point of Pride. I've fucking ruled as Henry you, but I was
Disconcertingly effective balrog which totally screwed everyone up because they're like balrogs
terrible, but you found his
but I found a way to win with balrog where the I'm just going to geek out for a minute, please. Okay, so balrog is the boxer. Not a good character. So if you were playing like Cannery you, you could generally, you think you could just, like, Fireball them into submission. But what he did have is he had a power where he could actually spin through a fireball and punch you, if
You timed it perfectly. It's difficult to time. I was very good with him, but I still couldn't do it. But, you know, when I could time it the beginning of the round. So so the Willie on. So, so the beginning of the round, I would hold all three punch buttons down and then whoever I'm fighting, nine times out of ten. They're going to do a fireball. So so they do the Fireball and I time through it. So then I punched them and then they're just like what just happened. And I just did like a customary opening and
and I just got punched. So then their next move is like they don't fire ball again using our friend. I'm just going to do it again. So then they jump in the air to do like a jump and kick which is like the next most likely chick basic effective thing. This is how I am and then I'm expecting it. So so so then so then I did like. So then I did a rushing uppercut that would punch him out of there. I saw this point then they're like, you know, often like half the
Time, I'd be able to get a third shot in and because I'd hit him three times in succession. They'd be dazed for a second and then you're so. So like the rounds like 2/3 over and then the rest of it, you know, I'm like effective not just do it. Well, the other thing is that the guy had the equivalent of the guile Sonic, Boom, attack. Where if you did, like the left, hold Right, Punch, she did a punch that took a little bit of damage that, you know, even if you blocked it, so, I just be like, doing that over and over again, just like screwed people up. So it just, it does a number on someone's confidence.
So bad, if you want, they can remember it
vividly? Was this is your teenage years. It was just this college,
man. I got to go to college and play Street Fighter 2 in the student center. It was mostly Asian dudes. Anyone who is my age. I'm talking about. Well, most mostly Asian dudes. There were there, was this really good black dude with dreads would come and he'd play and he was excellent. He would be me half the time but there's like no shame in losing to him. Like, he was really
like, you know, basketball, where
like you, if you lose, you get off the machine. Oh, yeah, totally.
So you played credits, and then if you're really good, you play all day today.
And people just keep Chum challenging you. I love you married. We had you and I had such different College experiences, man. I don't think I've pledged.
Street Fighter wants. I don't think
well, I mean, dude, I'm like X years older than you. I mean, I went to school between the school and the like early to mid 90s. I will say I
played Super Smash Bros and I did love that, and I was very good with Star Fox because he had that he had that move that you could like he would jump and then do like a real quick Direction, like left to right, and I was very good at. Like I was just jumping known, it was coming and mid-jump. I've just direct right on him and hit him and then he had pretty good Shield. Pretty good gun. Didn't think we'd be talking about this. Very exciting. Glad you knew.
God, you have calluses from your video game history if I date him. Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
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stuff from Andrew and Zach today? Yes, I'm proud of
us. I'm pumped about opponent about Audrey Court. You can join a
Discord without having an f t. So, we'll tweet about it. La B, 3, dot IO, click the link, will be fun. See you Monday. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah.
