And much of it still came down to this embracing of the idea that a calorie is a calorie and we get fat because we eat too much. And, to me, that's the most destructive paradigm obesity researchers could have come up with, and I think the people who promote it, which is still 99% of the research establishment, the clinicians, just don't think it through. They never have the opportunity to really think what this means and what this implies.